Bread ... why?

[PenguinMum]

Definitely not for breakfast.

Thanks @bluetit I wondered if the fat would make the difference. Never mind am happy with Keto cheese scone and butter

 

[Bluetit1802]

Thanks @bluetit I wondered if the fat would make the difference. Never mind am happy with Keto cheese scone and butter

Yes, the fat makes a big difference, but breakfast is not the best time to try it because of DP. The later in the day the better as that is when we tend to have less insulin resistance.

 

[AdamJames]

What are you going to do with the rest of the loaf though?

That was a dilemma for me before I even bought it - I remember thinking "if only you could buy one slice of bread!". It's in the freezer now.

I feel guilty even posting now I've seen recent messages come up as I've been typing this!

I feel I need to point out that I would only consider trying this because I did so many experiments last year that I trust my own findings about how my body works. Under the right circumstances, I, me, myself, personally, and nobody else unless they have proven it to themselves many times, can get away with murder with carbs.

Also, I happen to be, right now, in a period of rock-star self control. I am monitoring food closely and am enjoying balancing the books each day. It's about abstinence and reward. Even the reward has to be timed strategically.

Is it worth needing to spend 2 hours exercising to safely eat 27g of carbs that is gone in 30 seconds? That's the state my body is currently in. That's not healthy, and I'm not an example to follow!

 

[AdamJames]

@AdamJames @PenguinMum Nooooo don't do it it's like crack cocaine...

I am feeling genuinely guilty now for posting this. I feel like I've tried to tempt others but that wasn't what I was thinking about at all

I think we should all be able to report our findings accurately and freely, and equally we all need to take responsibility for ourselves. I've spelled out what it has taken for me to 'get away with' eating this, and I'll leave it at that!

And I totally agree about the problem with addiction. It's much easier to eat none of certain types of food than a little bit of them.

 

[bulkbiker]

It's much easier to eat none of certain types of food than a little bit of them.

100% agree there..show me an open bags of nuts! I'll show you an empty bag

 

[zand]

Oops.. it was meant to put them off it forever... oh well the best laid plans etc.. just shows how strong habit and addiction can be I guess!

Well it worked for me BB! Thanks!

Edit: In fact I might just start to fast today and see how far I get.

 

[Robbity]

Oops.. it was meant to put them off it forever... oh well the best laid plans etc.. just shows how strong habit and addiction can be I guess!

I enjoyed this thread without either being tempted by - or put off - real bread, I have no problem with excluding it anyway - something that food related migraines taught me with a very agonizing vengeance - if food/drink can do nasties to you keep well away, and since ending up as T2, I've tended to carry over this learned response to cover high carb foods, although eating them woudn't knock me out for up to three days.

However you're not going to put me off my home baked bread alternatives, as they contain nothing that I shouldn't be eating anyway... they are simply a certain combination of ingedients prepared in a particular way... Now persuade me otherwise??

Robbity

 

[lucylocket61]

I am feeling genuinely guilty now for posting this. I feel like I've tried to tempt others but that wasn't what I was thinking about at all

I think we should all be able to report our findings accurately and freely, and equally we all need to take responsibility for ourselves. I've spelled out what it has taken for me to 'get away with' eating this, and I'll leave it at that!

And I totally agree about the problem with addiction. It's much easier to eat none of certain types of food than a little bit of them.

Well, I find it helpful that others are willing to try things and report back. The decision to also try it is mine, and mine alone.

 

[julie56]

Anyone remember Mother's Pride being delivered by van?? Very interesting thread by the way - the one thing it has highlighted is just how much bread was in our diets. It's hard to let go completely, but the results are so worth it.

 

[Sue192]

A buttie of chips and brawn. Yeah, brawn. I still miss it and usec to love how it melted over the chips. My family think I am a zombie!

You can still buy brawn in Morrisons, in a little pot. I chop it up into salads or just eat a chunk of it. However, I'm not sure of the melting over chips bit!

I used to love mashed banana sandwiches with a generous sprinkling of sugar when I was a kid!

Me too, with a good sprinkling of cinnamon and watched in front of Dr Who (in the days of wobbly walls and alien helmets made out of cardboard boxes).

Also, I happen to be, right now, in a period of rock-star self control

Rock-star self-control?? That's worrying as they don't have any......??

What a fabulous thread - ok, it has wandered off into bread-porn, as @AdamJames pointed out, but it hasn't made me want to try every single example on this thread of what you can do with bread (especially the rollmop and Stilton cheese one - a taste exploration definitely too far) and it has dredged up some wonderful memories!

 

[Bluetit1802]

What I would love to know is why half a slice of white bread fried and eaten with a fry up spikes me less than half a slice of low carb Burgen bread, toasted, smothered in butter and eaten with a fry up. Another mystery.

 

[Guzzler]

You can still buy brawn in Morrisons, in a little pot. I chop it up into salads or just eat a chunk of it. However, I'm not sure of the melting over chips bit!


Me too, with a good sprinkling of cinnamon and watched in front of Dr Who (in the days of wobbly walls and alien helmets made out of cardboard boxes).

Rock-star self-control?? That's worrying as they don't have any......??

What a fabulous thread - ok, it has wandered off into bread-porn, as @AdamJames pointed out, but it hasn't made me want to try every single example on this thread of what you can do with bread (especially the rollmop and Stilton cheese one - a taste exploration definitely too far) and it has dredged up some wonderful memories!

As far as I know Morrisons brawn is made up of 'different cuts of meat' not brain material that used to be used in days gone by. It certainly bears little resemblance to that which I remember. I couldn't swear to it but brain and spinal cord material have been verboten since the BSE crisis.

 

[SiouxG]

If the low carb bread doesn't cause spikes then what is the harm? Same with a couple of spuds. Of course they need rigorous testing, but once that makes it clear the bread is safe, then it is tickety boo.

Hi all ... For a few weeks I tried the low carb diet .... I enjoyed the challenge to think differently about meal times and their contents. I went through the withdrawal symptoms but came out the other side with an abundance of energy. I even lost weight. However I found keeping track of my carb counter 30g a day! ... if memory serves me right. I gave up because quite simply I enjoy bread. I love it in Sandwiches and with soup as well as on its own. I'm once again considering following this same eating plan with a few alterations based on what I've learned about myself. I'm tailoring my food plan to myself ...

 

[Glucobabu]

If the low carb bread doesn't cause spikes then what is the harm? Same with a couple of spuds. Of course they need rigorous testing, but once that makes it clear the bread is safe, then it is tickety boo.

I have had whole meal bread cheese and salad sandwich almost everyday for lunch for years without significant problems. Being a veggie one hasn’t got too many choices. Personally I feel giving up bread entirely is not necessary as long as you take into consideration the carbohydrate content and match it with your insulin.

 

[Bluetit1802]

I'm tailoring my food plan to myself ...

That is a good plan and sustainable. It is what I did. I am low carb but factored in my own personal preferences. It worked for me, and still is.

 

[Bluetit1802]

Personally I feel giving up bread entirely is not necessary as long as you take into consideration the carbohydrate content and match it with your insulin.

The majority of us Type 2s can't do that. We have to hope our own insulin will cover it.

 

[hooha]

Not so good if you don't like ham.... I used to take Lidl rolls with me when we went out, it stopped me feeling left out and meant I was less likely to buy something full of carbs. It was more convenient too.

Edit: After years of eating fewer and fewer calories, I try to eat a minimum of 1200 per day. Without Lidl rolls I would struggle to eat enough if all I could take was salad and cheese. (although I am not vegetarian I am not that keen on meat )

I eat lots of butter, olive oil, coconut oil, nuts, and manage to get by with no bread. A plate of bacon and eggs used to be demanding that toast or bread rolls be added, but now a lashing of mixed veg does the trick.

 

[AdamJames]

Rock-star self-control?? That's worrying as they don't have any......??

I don't actually know what I was thinking when I wrote that! Maybe rock-steady self control? I don't know. It must have been the effects of the fried bread!

 

[AdamJames]

A plate of bacon and eggs used to be demanding that toast or bread rolls be added, but now a lashing of mixed veg does the trick.

That's what I started doing. I stopped associating foods with other foods in the way I used to. I was happy to have sausage and avocado for breakfast, or bacon and broccoli both fried in the same pan (with a lid on so the broccoli sort of steamed, but I didn't add water). You quickly realise that most food in most combinations won't kill you and is actually quite nice.

 

[AdamJames]

What I would love to know is why half a slice of white bread fried and eaten with a fry up spikes me less than half a slice of low carb Burgen bread, toasted, smothered in butter and eaten with a fry up. Another mystery.

It would be interesting to try half a slice of each, neat, and see what the different effects are.

"I read somewhere"... for example that some people get worse spikes with white bread, but some get worse spikes with wholemeal, and it was thought that gut bacteria may explain the difference as that seemed to be a common factor among the people tested.