New Diabetic carbs question.

Hilty1966

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Hello. I am currently taken gliclazine one a day since Friday. I'm waiting on my bloods returning ( machine is broken currently at the hospital). My numbers where in the high teens on my first visit to the doctor's. I have been on my medication for 3 days with a sensible diet, and I'm at an average of 10.5 mmol for today.

Was wondering if anyone can answer a few questions please.

1. How many carbs should be in a meal.
2. Some very high carb foods have very low sugars ?? Does this mean they can be eaten.

Cheers. Sean.
 
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bulkbiker

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Hello. I am currently taken gliclazine one a day since Friday. I'm waiting on my bloods returning ( machine is broken currently at the hospital). My numbers where in the high teens on my first visit to the doctor's. I have been on my medication for 3 days with a sensible diet, and I'm at an average of 10.5 mmol for today.

Was wondering if anyone can answer a few questions please.

1. How many carbs should be in a meal.
2. Some very high carb foods have very low sugars ?? Does this mean they can be eaten.

Cheers. Sean.

My view on your questions

1. As few as humanly possible
2. No - all carbs turn to sugar when you ingest them.. the sugar content simply shows how fast they will raise your blood sugar.

I try and limit myself to 20g of carbs per day total by either not eating (skip breakfast) and eating low carb foods for the one or two meals I usually have.
The results of doing this are in my signature.
There isn't one answer to your questions so it's down to a bit of experimentation .. looks you you are measuring your blood sugar which is a very good idea.
 
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Hilty1966

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Thanks. Yes was given a meter at the Docs. Been measuring 4 times a day since Friday.

Before and after breakfast and evening meal. Not sure how fast my numbers should come down, but back at the Docs on Thursday and should get the result then.

Cheers.
 

bulkbiker

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Thanks. Yes was given a meter at the Docs. Been measuring 4 times a day since Friday.

Before and after breakfast and evening meal. Not sure how fast my numbers should come down, but back at the Docs on Thursday and should get the result then.

Cheers.
It will probably take at least a few weeks before you start to see "normal" numbers depending on dietary changes. Just take a reading before you eat and then another 2 hours later.
You want to be aiming for a rise of less than 2 mmol for the meal. If it's more then there are too many carbs.
Try and keep a diary of what you eat and those readings and you'll soon get the hang of how food effects your bloods.
For great meal ideas try www.dietdoctor.com
 

Hilty1966

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Excellent. I have had decreased and increased numbers after meals so far, but will keep tabs on the 2 mmol increase level in future.

Cheers
 
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Jaylee

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Hi @Hilty1966 ,

Welcome to the forum.

What sort of numbers have you been getting from the meter?
I wouldn't disagree that carby foods turn to blood sugar. (regardless of the "of which are sugars.") Fats can slow this down. However, that's all it does. prolong a spike.
Test, & find out what is working for you.

Best of luck!
 

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@Hilty1966

Hello Sean and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

stephenlopez

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Answer to your first question, my doctor says that I should try to go low on carbs as much as I can. But, he also says that all carbs aren't bad, some are essential for health and that's why I should only eat healthy stuff. However, it's been two weeks since I'm on a keto diet and it is currently working for me to keep up with my condition. Here are somethings that you would like to know before you start: https://zovon.com/health-news/popular-topics/things-need-know-trying-keto-diet/

Now answering the second one, I really guess NO as suggested by @bulkbiker up there. However, I would ask this question to my GP and will let you know as soon as possible.
 

rab5

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Ask which carbs are essential for life and why?
 

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Hi @Hilty1966 it depends what "sensible" means and what you are trying to achieve. Taking this backwards I ould imagine for achievement you would want to reverse and fully manage diabetes. If this is the case the majority of successes posted on this site are via low carb high (healthy) fat, which has a carb content of circa between 50 and 100 grams.

If you want quicker results then a lower carb version of LCHF called a Ketogenic Diet is around 20 to 50 grams of carbs per day. Labels are in my view misleading (on purpose) as if either the sugar content is a low number or uses the traffic light system with green as the colour, many if not the majority would think this is fine; what to do is look at the total carbohydrate content and divide by 4 to get the potential sugar (glucose) hit. So if a tin of beans says 6 grams of sugar (usually "of which are sugars") per 100 grams, you might think 1.5 teaspoons of sugar is alright if you have 100 grams (6 divided by 4). But if the total carbohydrate per 100 is 40 grams, then you need to take this number and divide by 4, so the real potential is 10 teaspoons of sugar - slight of hand, as your body sees carbohydrate as glucose essentially.

There is no such thing as an essential carbohyrate, there are essentials fats and proteins. Your body will if required make glucose via the liver if required in the absence of sugar / carbs. If you are looking to drive down your numbers low non-starchy carbs such as brocolli, asparugus, cauliflower (most above ground vegetables) are the way to go, with your fish, meat and dairy (if you can tolerate this, watch the scales to see if this works for you, or if your numbers are high still after a few weeks, reduce the dairy first as for some this maintains insulin resistance, which is exactly what you want to get rid of).
 
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bulkbiker

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Answer to your first question, my doctor says that I should try to go low on carbs as much as I can. But, he also says that all carbs aren't bad, some are essential for health and that's why I should only eat healthy stuff. However, it's been two weeks since I'm on a keto diet and it is currently working for me to keep up with my condition. Here are somethings that you would like to know before you start: https://zovon.com/health-news/popular-topics/things-need-know-trying-keto-diet/

Now answering the second one, I really guess NO as suggested by @bulkbiker up there. However, I would ask this question to my GP and will let you know as soon as possible.

Hi Stephen not wishing to be overly critical but that site you link to seems to have a few glaring errors so I wouldn't use it as the be all and end all of what to do. The page you link to for example mentions having sunflower oil (which is a seed oil so best avoided) The celebs who keto page states that Halle Berry has had Type 2 diabetes since she was 19 whereas in fact she is a well known Type 1.
Any site worth reading really shouldn't be making these kind of errors. Might be worth having a large pinch of salt with anything you get from there although for the most part its not "bad" per se.
 

Petaluk

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My view on your questions

1. As few as humanly possible
2. No - all carbs turn to sugar when you ingest them.. the sugar content simply shows how fast they will raise your blood sugar.

I try and limit myself to 20g of carbs per day total by either not eating (skip breakfast) and eating low carb foods for the one or two meals I usually have.
The results of doing this are in my signature.
There isn't one answer to your questions so it's down to a bit of experimentation .. looks you you are measuring your blood sugar which is a very good idea.
Hi @bulkbiker . How do you do the signature thing (information at the bottom of your post - in faint text) Many thanks
 

bulkbiker

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OK no idea how to do it if you use the app but on the main forum website.

Go to your user name (top right of the page)
Click on your user name and you'll get your profile page
On the left about halfway down in the menu it says "signature"
Click on this and fill in details that you wish to add.

Hope that helps.
 

Petaluk

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OK no idea how to do it if you use the app but on the main forum website.

Go to your user name (top right of the page)
Click on your user name and you'll get your profile page
On the left about halfway down in the menu it says "signature"
Click on this and fill in details that you wish to add.

Hope that helps.
Thank you I found it :)