Extreme Fussy Eating And T2 - Help And Advice Please

shellkl

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Am two weeks into my diagnosis of T2 and really struggling. I have been an extremely fussy eater since around the age of 8 and my diet is very restricted.

I don't eat fruit (only bananas), veg (except potatoes), anything with sauces or much flavour, rice, pasta etc.

My diet mainly consists of meat and fish (in various forms) and has always been accompanied by a form of potato. Lunches using include a sandwich of some sort. My diet is very carb heavy. I have in the past tried working with a dietician through the GP and nothing has changed. I do feel this has strongly linked to my diagnosis of T2 and I know that if things dont change for me then my T2 will only get worse. I am obese at just over 15stone and nothing works to shed the weight.

Have restricted the amount I eat, cutting out snacks but due to the other things I eat it is not really showing with regards to my BG levels. The only next step I can forsee is trying a hypnotist to solve my eating issues. I have hit a low this weekend and I really don't know if there is a way to sort this without any major impact on my health. I want to avoid any major diet routines in that I dont wish to put myself in a position where it will all come back when I begin to eat again.
 

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Cut out the banana. Would you eat berries and cream?

I can't give you advice. You seem to know what you should be doing. Perhaps one of the others may be able to offer suggestions.

I know it took me around 3 weeks to get over carb withdrawal.
 
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Hi,

Am two weeks into my diagnosis of T2 and really struggling. I have been an extremely fussy eater since around the age of 8 and my diet is very restricted.

I don't eat fruit (only bananas), veg (except potatoes), anything with sauces or much flavour, rice, pasta etc.

My diet mainly consists of meat and fish (in various forms) and has always been accompanied by a form of potato. Lunches using include a sandwich of some sort. My diet is very carb heavy. I have in the past tried working with a dietician through the GP and nothing has changed. I do feel this has strongly linked to my diagnosis of T2 and I know that if things dont change for me then my T2 will only get worse. I am obese at just over 15stone and nothing works to shed the weight.

Have restricted the amount I eat, cutting out snacks but due to the other things I eat it is not really showing with regards to my BG levels. The only next step I can forsee is trying a hypnotist to solve my eating issues. I have hit a low this weekend and I really don't know if there is a way to sort this without any major impact on my health. I want to avoid any major diet routines in that I dont wish to put myself in a position where it will all come back when I begin to eat again.
Eating meat and fish is good, do more of it. If you like potatoes make them new potatoes and maybe reduce the portion size. This is not what I call carb heavy.

You don't mention what you drink and often a mystery is solved when someone mentions that they drink Coke or some other soda in large quantities.

If you could explain further what you mean by a carb heavy diet then maybe someone can help.
 

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Meat and fish is great for a Type 2. Plenty of that will see you right.

Try and think about the changes you need to make as a change in habits and lifestyle rather than a temporary measure: you need to be able to sustain what you eat for the long-term.

Take a look at the diet doctor website for ideas - you can skip fancy sauces etc (I too prefer plain and simple food) and have a look at the ‘what have you eaten today’ thread in the low carb section of the forum. Lots of ideas and lots of different ways of eating there.
 

shellkl

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Eating meat and fish is good, do more of it. If you like potatoes make them new potatoes and maybe reduce the portion size. This is not what I call carb heavy.

You don't mention what you drink and often a mystery is solved when someone mentions that they drink Coke or some other soda in large quantities.

If you could explain further what you mean by a carb heavy diet then maybe someone can help.

I tend to drink squash or water most of the time. Carb heavy in that most of my diet involves potatoes or bread
 
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Hi @shellkl welcome to the group. I will tag @daisy1 to post her welcome info for new members. Why is your diet carb heavy, apart from the potatoes and sandwiches? Meat and fish is good. Forget the word "diet" it is a new eating regime that will help you. Don't worry you are in the best place for help, advice and support. So any questions just ask:)
 

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Hi @shellkl welcome to the group. I will tag @daisy1 to post her welcome info for new members. Why is your diet carb heavy, apart from the potatoes and sandwiches? Meat and fish is good. Forget the word "diet" it is a new eating regime that will help you. Don't worry you are in the best place for help, advice and support. So any questions just ask:)

Thank you. I just find anything ‘healthy’ I don’t eat so always find losing weight difficult. Everything I eat at the moment seems to make my BG spike which is frustrating
 

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I tend to drink squash or water most of the time. Carb heavy in that most of my diet involves potatoes or bread
As you will have worked out for yourself, drinking water is perfect. Maybe you could pay attention to drinking even more, especially in the hot weather, as that may help lower your bg. Squash is loaded with sugar, but I'm sure there are carb-free versions you could change to, and that would reduce your carb intake a lot. I don't like squash myself, but there must be other people here who do and can advise.

You are quite right not to want to go on a temporary "weight loss" type of diet, only to lapse afterwards. As others have pointed out, meat and fish are perfect foods for a diabetic. I wonder if, instead of focussing on cutting things out of your diet, you could instead focus on increasing your meat and fish portions and making them more fatty. You might find that would fill you up and make you crave at any rate smaller portions of bread and potatoes. Thinking how you can increase the protein and fat elements in your diet might feel positive, and so easier than giving things up?
 

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Thank you. I just find anything ‘healthy’ I don’t eat so always find losing weight difficult. Everything I eat at the moment seems to make my BG spike which is frustrating
You sound like a prime candidate for carnivore. Only animal products with maybe dairy (cheese, butter, cream) does that tempt you?
 
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Thank you. I just find anything ‘healthy’ I don’t eat so always find losing weight difficult. Everything I eat at the moment seems to make my BG spike which is frustrating

Hi Shellk1 - There are a number of people here who actually prretty much eat meat. No veg, no fruits, but meat. It's certainly a radical way of being, and not something I do myself, but some folks, like @bulkbiker and @NoCrbs4Me rerally do focus on the meat, big style.
 

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I think I know what you are going through, it took me quite a while to get my head around that chip butties were really bad for me.
I have lived for decades thinking that the 'healthy' option was my recommended dietary intake. It wasn't.
I have an intolerance to lactose, wheat, grains and potatoes, plus a few more like an abhorrence of cooked vegetables.
But I eventually found that meat was really good and healthy for me!
I have found other foods that I can make from scratch and are low carb, like curry and soups. There is an alternative to most carby food.
If you have a glucometer, you should test every food you like and make your choice from there.
You need to increase your good fats.

There is always another way to enjoy food, but I'm sadly still missing a chip buttie now and again!
 
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@shellkl

Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

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Resurgam

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Perhaps mashed cauliflower could help with getting off the potatoes, also celeriac can be made into chips or mashed.
I don't think that you got diabetes through eating potatoes, you probably were always headed for it, but the heavy carb foods just can't be processed properly and need to be avoided, replaced with foods which are far lower carb and which help rather than hinder your metabolism.
 

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You seem determined to find a way to improve your BG and weight and thats so good. We dont all get there the same way. We are conditioned from birth that lunch must be a sandwich and you have potatoes/rice/pasta with your evening meal but you really dont have to. It takes weeks to adjust to reducing carbs and finding new ways of eating but it is so worth it. Reduce your carbs significantly and get more exercise and you will feel so good, energised and weight loss will follow. Try some new foods eg. Celeriac? Useful for shepherds pie. Also read the forum every day. I used to think I could never manage without breakfast but now 8 months in if I get a fasting blood reading higher than I am comfortable with I dont eat before noon effectively intermittant fasting 16/8 which works. a treat. Believe in yourself and find ways to get BG and weight down and you will be healthy and happy.
 
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Do you have a glucose meter ?
Are you using to find out:
-what foods affect you most?
-what foods affect you least?
 

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Celeriac roasted and well seasoned is pretty close in taste to potato but less carbs
Carol