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Mooredo

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I started sukkarto 1000mg slow release on Friday with a BS of 18.8. Today it’s 4.8 and I’m feeling ill, shaking, light headed, sick, basically I’m feeling ill. As of Monday I stopped all sugar intake, i.e... cake etc.
I’m really asking for advice , have I done things to quickly.
Thank you
 

Birdwoman

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Hi All
I started sukkarto 1000mg slow release on Friday with a BS of 18.8. Today it’s 4.8 and I’m feeling ill, shaking, light headed, sick, basically I’m feeling ill. As of Monday I stopped all sugar intake, i.e... cake etc.
I’m really asking for advice , have I done things to quickly.
Thank you

Hi Mooredo
Welcome to the forum. I have not got any answers for you but will tag @Rachox who has a lot more knowledge than me and @daisy1 for the welcome pack

Good luck
 
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Terrytiddy

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Hi @Mooredo welcome to the forum.:happy: Not sure about sukkarto ( someone with more knowledge onit will soon answer I'm sure) so it could be side affects. Also you have stopped taking sugar so again your body will be wondering what has happened, especially if you use to have a lot. You are in the right place for help, advice and support, so any other questions ask away.:)
 
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Kittycat_7_

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Hi,
Sukkarto on its own can't cause hypos, it's possible your diet alone has dropped your blood sugar.
Eat regularly and have low carb, best to contact your dr as your feeling unwell.
Take care
 

daisy1

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@Mooredo

Hello Mooredo and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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JoKalsbeek

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Hi All
I started sukkarto 1000mg slow release on Friday with a BS of 18.8. Today it’s 4.8 and I’m feeling ill, shaking, light headed, sick, basically I’m feeling ill. As of Monday I stopped all sugar intake, i.e... cake etc.
I’m really asking for advice , have I done things to quickly.
Thank you
You *might* be experiencing a false hypo. If your body is used to high carb, it kinda panics when your numbers drop. I had them when I started low carb and they scared me silly. If it's not that, then carb flu is an option too. In both cases your body is getting used to lower numbers, and it takes a while. BUT, and that's a big but, when in doubt, and you're feeling ill, get in touch with your diabetes team. I don't know your meds, nor their side effects, so please err on the side of caution and seek a medical opinion. We can give information on loads of things, the benefit of a hive-mind, but we're not doctors. You may have gone a little fast, but if your body is detoxing from carbs, and adjusting, salty (bone) broth and coconutmilk may help. If you've gone very low carb you might be urinating a lot and losing salt/electrolytes, and if you're lacking those, you'll feel cruddy too. Are you eating plenty of fats and protein? Your body needs something to burn if not carbs. Something to try eh. Good luck!
 

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Thank you , BS so much better. Going be tough and at 53 I have lots of very very bad habits. Grandma (96) and dad (75) are both Diabetic 2. Mums side has Diabetic 1. I really must listen and stop eating sweet things. My son did his PHD in diabetes (lectures at Portsmouth University and also work in hospital and lab) and gets cross quiet often with me. ;-(
Donna
 
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margarett89

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my friend started taking sukkarto at first. he had similar symptoms but the doctor said that this is due to the fact that he does not deliver sugar to the body and defenses begin. The body is confused. what's happening
 

Mooredo

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You *might* be experiencing a false hypo. If your body is used to high carb, it kinda panics when your numbers drop. I had them when I started low carb and they scared me silly. If it's not that, then carb flu is an option too. In both cases your body is getting used to lower numbers, and it takes a while. BUT, and that's a big but, when in doubt, and you're feeling ill, get in touch with your diabetes team. I don't know your meds, nor their side effects, so please err on the side of caution and seek a medical opinion. We can give information on loads of things, the benefit of a hive-mind, but we're not doctors. You may have gone a little fast, but if your body is detoxing from carbs, and adjusting, salty (bone) broth and coconutmilk may help. If you've gone very low carb you might be urinating a lot and losing salt/electrolytes, and if you're lacking those, you'll feel cruddy too. Are you eating plenty of fats and protein? Your body needs something to burn if not carbs. Something to try eh. Good luck!
Thank you for your advise. I’m feeling little better. I had weetabix x2 plus 1/2 banana , Roast dinner and grapes yesterday, I also drank tea (no sugar) and water, this morning bloods are 8.1... Hoping they will settle to under 7 after night time fast.
Donna
 
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Bluetit1802

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Thank you for your advise. I’m feeling little better. I had weetabix x2 plus 1/2 banana , Roast dinner and grapes yesterday, I also drank tea (no sugar) and water, this morning bloods are 8.1... Hoping they will settle to under 7 after night time fast.
Donna

If you want to feel even better, and reduce your blood glucose levels, you need to re-think your diet. It isn't just sugar that causes blood glucose levels to spiral, it is all carbohydrate. All carbs turn to sugar once inside the system, and your meals are full of carbs. Weetabix (and milk), banana, grapes, and any potatoes and gravy in your roast dinner will have raised your levels by a lot.
The worst culprits are breakfast cereals, porridge, rice, bread, pasta, potatoes and most fruits. (bananas and grapes are about the worst choices).

Are you testing before you eat and again 2 hours after first bite? These times are far more useful at this stage than any morning fasting level. You should aim to keep the post meal levels down as much as you can, and definitely no more than 2mmol/l more than when you started, preferably a lot less. Keeping a food diary and recording your levels alongside the food is useful.

Have a look at dietdoctor. It will help you. https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/60-seconds
 

JoKalsbeek

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Thank you for your advise. I’m feeling little better. I had weetabix x2 plus 1/2 banana , Roast dinner and grapes yesterday, I also drank tea (no sugar) and water, this morning bloods are 8.1... Hoping they will settle to under 7 after night time fast.
Donna
That's.... A very high carb day. Yikes. All carbs (even non-sweet or brown ones) are turned into glucose (sugar) once ingested... One Weetabix might have sent you into double digits; you had two... And lactose in milk is sugar. And banana's are a carb bomb. Grapes also. If you switch to eggs/bacon/cheese/mushrooms etc in the morning, there are almost no carbs in that. Berries are fine, if you want fruit.(straw, blue, black, rasp etc...) Roast was fine, hope you skipped potatoes though. There really is a lot to be gained by adjusting what you eat. You could look at meds with your doctor of course, that's an option. But the effect of a diet change is quicker. ;)
 
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Mooredo

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I had GP appointment today and I’ve been put onto a NHS Diabetes Support Programme, provided by Oviva! I am hoping this will give me the knowledge I need to get my levels into a healthy range.
I am pretty clueless as you can see from my dietary choices.
Thanks
Donna
 

Energize

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@Mooredo Welcome aboard ;)

Daisy1 has posted you some excellent information. If you've got a printer, it is worth printing out and keeping handy for future reference but please do read it thoroughly first ;)

As already mentioned, best to check your blood glucose level before each meal, then an hour and 2 hours afterwards, to see how your meal has affected your levels. Also, keep a log of what you are eating, what your glucose levels are and how you are feeling, along with what exercise/sedentary activities you are doing. This should, quite soon, show you what affects your levels etc, so you can further adapt. :)
 

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Hi @Mooredo, Sukkarto is a brand of Metformin, a medication used in T2D, and sometimes in other forms of diabetes, according to the net. Side-effects include nauseous, abdominal upset, diahoorea. Some people find the Slow release form less troublesome.
I agree with @JoKalsbeek, that the drop in your BSLs from high (18.8 mmol/l) to normal, say 4.8 mmol/l, takes the body and brain time to get used to. In that situation eating more carbs is a natural response.
Some people also find their eyesight gets blurry as the sugar level in the lens of the eye takes time to adjust also. The general message has been to avoid getting new glasses during this time as things will generally settle in ? 3 months (just going on what others have said)
Perhaps speak with your doctor or DSN about whether a graded reduction in carbs as a means to ease the transition from high to lower BSLs. And also ask about low carb diets as well as visiting the information on this site about such diets.
Best Wishes on your journey and please let us know how you are faring.
 
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Mooredo

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5 weeks in and things are settling. Bloods are 5.8 in a morning and around 7, 2 hours after eating . I’ve totally changed my diet. I am still left with GI affects and the toilet is a constant part of my life. Hoping this will get better. Thank you for all your information and advice.
Donna
 
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Birdwoman

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Well Done!!! Keep going and no doubt you will get even better results. It takes a lot to change things like you have.