Starting insulin tomorrow... advice

EmmaLK

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Evening!

I start on insulin tomorrow and I'm not really sure how I feel about it or what to really expect.

I've been struggling to control it for the last couple of years with not much help from my GP/Nurse - as soon as complications started they kept saying that I'm the only patient there with MODY and that it's too complicated for them to deal with (I've now changed GP!).

I was on the max dose of Gliclazide which seemed to just stop working and have been in limbo until I saw a specialist last week who suggested insulin.

My HBA1c was at 76 back in Sept and I constantly feel rotten.

I think I've known it was coming and it will be for the best, I suppose I'm just a little bervous! Are there any questions I should be asking or tips etc for tomorrows appointment?

Thanks!
 

Fenn

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Hi, I have no idea about the process of insulin with regrds to MODY but from a injection point of view if that is part of your concern, its very easy, its less painful than a fingerprick bg test, they will teach you how to do it, dial the pen etc, I worried about it for 6 months, then the act of doing it for the first time, I was holding it in the jab position with an invisible forcefield stopping me jabbing it in, took the plunge (quite literally) and realised it was nothing to worry about, I then spent every moment worrying about hypos, didnt hardly sleep that night but that didnt happen, best of luck, if you need it, you need it, you will be fine im sure, best of luck, hope this was helpful.
 
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EmmaLK

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Hi, I have no idea about the process of insulin with regrds to MODY but from a injection point of view if that is part of your concern, its very easy, its less painful than a fingerprick bg test, they will teach you how to do it, dial the pen etc, I worried about it for 6 months, then the act of doing it for the first time, I was holding it in the jab position with an invisible forcefield stopping me jabbing it in, took the plunge (quite literally) and realised it was nothing to worry about, I then spent every moment worrying about hypos, didnt hardly sleep that night but that didnt happen, best of luck, if you need it, you need it, you will be fine im sure, best of luck, hope this was helpful.
Hi Fenn,

Thanks for your advice.

I think it's the hypo aspect I'm more worried about, I rarely have readings under 14 on the Gliclazide so not really had to deal with it. Growing up my Dad had severe hypos quiye often but he didn't look after himself - think thats where the worrying stems from!
 

Fenn

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Hi Fenn,

Thanks for your advice.

I think it's the hypo aspect I'm more worried about, I rarely have readings under 14 on the Gliclazide so not really had to deal with it. Growing up my Dad had severe hypos quiye often but he didn't look after himself - think thats where the worrying stems from!
I get you, my diabetes is different but they started me off on a small dose, 3 weeks in now and ive only seen 4s one night, the rest of the time im still way above hypo territory, so maybe they will do the same? Im sure they wouldnt do anything too drastic straight away
 

_petal_

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Hi there,

Who is your appointment with tomorrow, and who is overseeing the change to your treatment? If it's one of the MODY specialist nurses that have been trained by Exeter you'll be fine. They may suggest a combination therapy for you so that you continue on gliclazide and start with a background (basal) insulin to supplement this, alternatively they may tell you to stop gliclazide completely and switch to a basal/bolus regime so that you're injecting before each meal. Because your blood sugar has been high, you may feel hypo even if you're not, so I'd be asking for advise on this. As Fenn has said, make sure that they start you off on a fairly low dose of insulin and increase from there, as you don't want to go from one extreme another! Do you currently carb count, as this is a major factor in how much insulin you take. Also, make sure that you are prescribed an adequate number of blood test strips - you need to be testing very often ( I'd suggest on a hourly basis initially, although they would probably says that's too much!) so that you can track how you're reacting.

To give you some idea, I'm MODY3 and use animal insulin, I low carb and use 1 to 1.5 units of bolus insulin for every 10 grams of carbohydrate (depending on where I am in my monthly cycle) and use 5 units of basal insulin per day. Your requirements may be entirely different though!

Good luck at your appointment tomorrow!

_petal_
 
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My advice re hypos is to make sure you always have fast acting glucose to hand. I think many of us colanders have dextrose or glucotabs in every bag, pocket, drawer at home and at work ... just in case.

The other advice I was given by a fellow insulin taker when I first started was to take a little too much insulin one time when you are in a controlled environment, with hypo treatment close to hand and not alone.
Hypos are not pleasant but one of the worst things about them at first is the fear of the unknown. Once you have experienced a hypo, you may be less afraid.
I am not sure a doctor would recommend this but it helped for me.
 
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My advice re hypos is to make sure you always have fast acting insulin to hand. I think many of us colanders have dextrose or glucotabs in every bag, pocket, drawer at home and at work ... just in case.

The other advice I was given by a fellow insulin taker when I first started was to take a little too much insulin one time when you are in a controlled environment, with hypo treatment close to hand and not alone.
Hypos are not pleasant but one of the worst things about them at first is the fear of the unknown. Once you have experienced a hypo, you may be less afraid.
I am not sure a doctor would recommend this but it helped for me.
@helensaramay I think you've made a typo, shouldn’t your first sentence say “fast acting glucose”?
 

Odin004

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Hi @EmmaLK,

Please don't worry about tomorrow - starting insulin will make you feel so much better; and believe me, I completely understand the fear of hypos.

Personally, I would suggest starting with a lower carb diet (at least to begin with) while you're getting your insulin/carb ratio fine-tuned (don't worry, it will soon become instinctive). This way, you're limiting the amount of insulin in your system at any given time, and therefore the margin of error (and of course, thereby limiting the effect of any hypo). If you want to increase carbs again, you'll then have more confidence, and hopefully, less worry.

You might also want to consider a CGM system (Libre or Dexcom - I use Dexcom) - it's very handy to see what your sugars are doing all the time, and to be able to take action early to prevent a hypo.

Let us know how it goes - there's plenty of good advice and supportive voices here!x
 
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Scott-C

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I think it's the hypo aspect I'm more worried about

Hi, Emma, yes, hypos are a major concern for insulin users, but there's ways of dealing with them.

I'm T1, so this is all from that point of view. I don't know much about MODY, but I imagine there's some broad similarities when it comes to insulin use.

You say you're running at about 14. Longer term, you'll be looking to get down to around 5. That's a big drop. Your body will have gotten used to the higher level, so, as @_petal_ says, you might experience false hypos when you start getting lower than the 14 you've become used to. When T1s are newly dx'd, docs don't bring them down to 5 straight away. They do it in stages, like a diver coming up slowly from depth so they get used to the changes in pressure gradually. So, be patient with it and try to nudge it lower over a few weeks.

Once you start getting into the 4 to 7 zone, that's where you're thinking more about true sub-4 hypos. The difficulty is that the dividing line between a "good" 5 and a "bad" hypo sub-4 is quite a narrow one. Ironically, the occasional hypo is a sign of good control.

One important thing to bear in mind is that because that dividing line is so narrow, modest hypos are pretty easy to fix. We've only got about 5g of glucose in our entire bloodstreams, so if you start feeling a bit squiffy, it's not necessary to hoover up a litre of lucozade and three Mars bars. Generally speaking, a few dextrotabs, about 10g will do to nudge you back up. It will be different, though, if it's a deeper hypo and/or you still have lots of active insulin on board - that can require a lot more. You'll get a feel for how much you need as time goes by.

I'd encourage you to spend some time thinking about the time pattern or "shape" of insulin. If you get a typical fast-acting like Novorapid, you inject before a meal, it takes about 20 mins to start working (which is why many of us inject 20 mins before the meal, to give it time to get to work before the food hits it), peaks at about 1.5 to 2 hours and wears off after 3 to 5. It varies a lot between people. The takeaway point, though, is that because it peaks at about 1.5 to 2 hours, that's the time when you're likely to start getting clues about whether the dose amount was right or wrong - if it was too high, you might be starting to look at a sharp drop into hypo territory, and if you catch it in time, think about tailing off the drop with a dextrotab or biscuit. Once that's sorted, you can then think about the amounts and whether you need to make any changes for a similar meal in the future - it's trial and error, and there's nothing wrong with making mistakes.

And remember how it lasts for 3 to 5 hrs. That means that the amount you take for lunch might differ depending on whether you're going to be sitting at a desk for the rest of the afternoon, or walking around a lot. Exercise generally means less insulin.

If your finances allow it (about £100 per month), or you live in an area which prescribes it (it's a postcode lottery), I'd definitely consider getting Freestyle Libre. It's a glucose monitoring system which gives you a 24 hour picture of glucose levels in real time, instead of the tiny little snapshots which strips give. It significantly reduces hypos, purely because if you can see on the live graph when levels are trending to sub-4, it's simple to just take a dextrotab to nudge it up a bit before it gets there. Strips just don't do that. There's also small transmitters, blucon and miaomiao, which send the results to a phone app which you can set hypo alarms on so you get woken up if you're getting too low.

If you end up with a serious deep hypo, well, yes, those are scary, confusing situations. Your brain won't be working properly because of the low glucose. Try to keep a bit of space at the back of your head which say, "ok, I'm Emma, I'm having a bad hypo, and it will be fine once I get some glucose in me." Those sort of situations normally occur at night, you've missed the initial symptoms because you're sleeping. Don't keep the glucose in the kitchen. You won't be able to get to the kitchen in that state. Keep a couple of bottles of Glucojuice and a few packets of glucotabs beside the bed. We've all got our own preferences on deep hypo treatments, but Glucojuice is a winner for me - fast, fast, fast.

Anyway, good luck with it all, Emma! Insulin can be a scary gig to start with, but you get used to the ins and outs after a while.
 
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Is there a reason you're under GP care with a relatively rare condition like MODY? An endocrinologist would seem a more logical place to me.
 

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Is there a reason you're under GP care with a relatively rare condition like MODY? An endocrinologist would seem a more logical place to me.
@EmmaLK - I have to agree with @Antje77 here. You need to ask your GP to refer you to a hospital, preferably one specialising in MODY. YOu can be referred to any hospital that you choose, and for MODY, you really should be seeing a specialist in secondary care.