Having a HYPER

Framps7

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Hi it seems I have hypers and not hypos ...so how do I control this? In on 4 x Metformin a day ..but I'm convinced these make me feel sick sometimes. During one if these hyper attacks i can feel sick, faint, dissorientated..... what can i do????
 

Antje77

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Do you use a meter to see what your blood glucose is when you feel like that? Have you changed your diet because of your diabetes?
 
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Antje77

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Hi it seems I have hypers and not hypos ...so how do I control this? In on 4 x Metformin a day
You're not supposed to have hypo's on metformin, why would you expect them? Being diabetic means you have hypers (high blood sugar). I'll tag @daisy1 for her clear overview of diabetes, just in case you haven't got it already.
Hope things will get better for you soon!
 
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kitedoc

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Hi @Framps7, as @Antje77 says you need to have and use a glucose meter otherwise you have no proof of a hyper or any gauge on what your BSLs are.
Metformin can make people feel rough, nauseated, tu so that symptom is not going to help you much sorting out what is happening.
On the Home page under 'Living with Diabetes' there is a section on Blood Glucose meters (there are lots of them.)
Ask your GP if he/she will prescribe a glucose meter foe you and the test strips that are used with it.
If your GP will not prescribe a meter for you (some NHS thing about Type 2 s do not need meters ,which is a cost saving exercise not in the interest of your health) then look through the list of meters on the home page for one under the maker Sanofi and the Codefree one at the bottom of that list, if I am not mistaken that is the cheapest one with the cheapest strips in the UK.
You will need to use the finger pricker gadget in the kit to prick your finger for a drop of blood to place on the strip, once the machine is set up. Follow the instructions, ask one of the nurses at the GPs for help if you need to.
By testing with your new 'toy' at the times you feel you may be 'hyper' you can establish what your BSL is and if it is high or not.
The Home page has a list of what are the normal BSL ranges. so in general anything above 7.8 (mmol/l is the units like litres of petrol or kilos of flour etc) 2 hours after a meal or about 7 mmol/l first thing in the morning is high.
But - there is a bit high, moderately high and very high, all sorts of grades,
So 8 or 9 is a bit high, 12-14 is moderately high and if persistent over a week or two might best be discussed with the GP and above 15 and particularly above 20 needs the GP's attention pronto.
If when you feel hyper, and your BSL is in range (less than 7.8 etc), then it may be the Metformin or something else causing the feeling you have. It is up to you whether the feeling bothers you enough to check it out with the GP but if it gets worse, seeing the GP is your best bet.
Good Wishes.:):):)
 
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daisy1

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@Framps7
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
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Framps7

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Hi @Framps7, as @Antje77 says you need to have and use a glucose meter otherwise you have no proof of a hyper or any gauge on what your BSLs are.
Metformin can make people feel rough, nauseated, tu so that symptom is not going to help you much sorting out what is happening.
On the Home page under 'Living with Diabetes' there is a section on Blood Glucose meters (there are lots of them.)
Ask your GP if he/she will prescribe a glucose meter foe you and the test strips that are used with it.
If your GP will not prescribe a meter for you (some NHS thing about Type 2 s do not need meters ,which is a cost saving exercise not in the interest of your health) then look through the list of meters on the home page for one under the maker Sanofi and the Codefree one at the bottom of that list, if I am not mistaken that is the cheapest one with the cheapest strips in the UK.
You will need to use the finger pricker gadget in the kit to prick your finger for a drop of blood to place on the strip, once the machine is set up. Follow the instructions, ask one of the nurses at the GPs for help if you need to.
By testing with your new 'toy' at the times you feel you may be 'hyper' you can establish what your BSL is and if it is high or not.
The Home page has a list of what are the normal BSL ranges. so in general anything above 7.8 (mmol/l is the units like litres of petrol or kilos of flour etc) 2 hours after a meal or about 7 mmol/l first thing in the morning is high.
But - there is a bit high, moderately high and very high, all sorts of grades,
So 8 or 9 is a bit high, 12-14 is moderately high and if persistent over a week or two might best be discussed with the GP and above 15 and particularly above 20 needs the GP's attention pronto.
If when you feel hyper, and your BSL is in range (less than 7.8 etc), then it may be the Metformin or something else causing the feeling you have. It is up to you whether the feeling bothers you enough to check it out with the GP but if it gets worse, seeing the GP is your best bet.
Good Wishes.:):):)
Many thanks
 

Framps7

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Messages
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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
Do you use a meter to see what your blood glucose is when you feel like that? Have you changed your diet because of your diabetes?
Yes got a meter. I'm vegetarian and think I'm careful what I eat etc.
 

Framps7

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Messages
47
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
@Framps7
Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it interesting and helpful.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
Thankyou
 

JoKalsbeek

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Yeah, that's certainly hyper. Being a vegetarian doesn't mean you're on a diet that's automatically good for your bloodsugars, do you know that? Carbs turn to glucose once ingested, and most fruits and below ground or starchy veggies contain a lot of it... Potatoes, carrots, beans, and all fruit (save for berries, avocado's, starfruit and tomatoes) for instance, will make your bloodsugars spike. Check dietdoctor.com, they also have meal plans for vegetarians/vegans that would keep your bs down. Eating low carb is easier/more varied if you eat meat, and milk products/eggs, but from what I understand it should be doable to remain a vegetarian, if you have your heart set on it.
 
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