Type 2 Blood test advice

ColinS

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Hi Blue
I have booked an appointment with the Dr today, having back trouble for 3/4 days now and want to make sure nothing bad is going on. It's with the original Dr so i have a few questions for him, The information coming out of the Dr surgery is Zero, i must say i expected more help from them.
There is one thing confusing me a little, my meter gives a reading in mmol/l but i see more references to the blood count in Hba1c (think thats right) why 2 different readings? how do i convert mmol to Hbalc.
 

Ponchu

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Locally the typical diabetes nurse is obese, unhealthy and condensing.

I hope all works out for you


What do your numbers look like?

Before and after meals?
 

KK123

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It is not in the least bit unusual for Type 2s to receive little or no information from their GPs. The diabetes nurses are marginally better. In fact, some are very good. It is the norm for GPs to devolve all T2 diabetes care to the nurse. I have been diagnosed for over 5 years now and have never once seen a GP about my diabetes - not even when I was first diagnosed. I see the nurse, who is excellent. As for the hospital diabetes clinic, these are mainly for Type 1s or for those with particular problems and other types of diabetes.

This website and the forum attached to it is the best place there is for advice.

Edited to remove an inappropriate sentence.

Bluetit, if you think this lack of information is restricted to type 2s, think again. I was sent out of hospital with insulin, a quick demonstration in how to inject, then off you go with fixed amounts but no idea how to interpret them. The GP provided no specific information and when I eventually saw a Consultant(3 months later) I had at least managed to work my way around what I was supposed to be doing with this life saving and potentially fatal (if you get it wrong) medicine. I did have access to a diabetes Nurse on the end of a phone though but it was almost impossible trying to get hold of them. You are better off with the nurse in my opinion.
 

JoKalsbeek

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Hi Blue
I have booked an appointment with the Dr today, having back trouble for 3/4 days now and want to make sure nothing bad is going on. It's with the original Dr so i have a few questions for him, The information coming out of the Dr surgery is Zero, i must say i expected more help from them.
There is one thing confusing me a little, my meter gives a reading in mmol/l but i see more references to the blood count in Hba1c (think thats right) why 2 different readings? how do i convert mmol to Hbalc.
HbA1c is a different test, it is a number for your average bloodglucose of the past 2,5 to 3 months. The mmol/l reading is the reading for right that moment, a fingerprick test. Your doc'll know your HbA1c, and you'll want that number, as it is your aim to get that number down. It gives us something to strive for. ;)
 

JoKalsbeek

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Locally the typical diabetes nurse is obese, unhealthy and condensing.

I hope all works out for you


What do your numbers look like?

Before and after meals?
Oh, mine was really skinny, maybe in her early twenties, and in a complete panic. (I responded so badly to the metformin, she thought I'd been misdiagnosed, and probably was Lada. The panic was contagious, I can tell you!). :p
 
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KK123

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Locally the typical diabetes nurse is obese, unhealthy and condensing.

I hope all works out for you


What do your numbers look like?

Before and after meals?

Hmmm, Ponchu, not sure that stereotype is helpful in any way. Obesity in and of itself doesn't always tell us about a persons health or lifestyle and is irrelevant to a persons expertise on diabetes or any other subject.
 

ColinS

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Thanks Jo I have a Hba1c reading from the Diabetes course i went on, i finally found all my notes and referance books, just starting to read through them.
My old Dr was really good, had a nurse who was really clued up and ran a weekly surgery, when the old Dr left the new owners bought in their own people so we lost the information classes, the new owners put times on everything, 10min - per problem in Dr appointments, 5min - blood test more like a conveyor belt than a Dr surgery, still thats the new way i suppose and we have to move with the times.
 

kitedoc

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Hi @ColinS, From perspective of a patient with diabetes over the past 52 years, not as professional advice or opinion:
This medical issue-limited consultation nonsense is about money-making efficiency and fails to cater for the basic premise of providing appropriate healthcare.
It has been rife in Australia as well, where it is called 6 minute medicine. The idea being that the doctor can charge a 'normal' consultation fee for a consult lasting > 5 and < 15 minutes. So the idea of just getting above the 5 minute barrier increases the number of patient's seen per hour.
In Britain the charging system etc is different and it may be getting through more patients per day provides a better return for the practice in NHS money input - just guessing.
The one problem per consult doctors fail the code of conduct set down by the GMC.
If you think about it most people have more than one issue to discuss with their doctor and often will put forward the least concerning issue first, as a 'lead in' to the more worrying problem. They get 'cut off at the knees'.
Diabetics for example can have multiple problems.
Do you have to see the doctor 3 times, if you can get appointments close enough together, to first deal with a leg ulcer, then later to look at why BSLs are up and third to have BP checked and script for medication renewed?
Fragmented care is the result!!
Please do not give in to this nonsense, I have reported doctors I have seen who try to pull this stunt.
These doctors could improve efficiency in other ways, say, by having the practice nurses seeing patients with the less complex troubles, having nurses checking patient's weight, BP, doing the urine testing, some are trained and exceptional in providing Pap smear tests, other tests and advice, education etc. What is the point of a doctor prescribing a glucose meter plus strips if he/she or the practice nurse do not show the patient how to operate the device and when, and what the acceptable readings are?
No different to prescribing medication and detailing the taking of the medication, whether taken with food or not, and what the side-effects are. My daughter was prescribed thyroxine for under-active thyroid and the doctor failed to inform my wife who attended the consultation with her that thyroxine should not be taken with food.
And this 'new wave' of one problem-one visit nonsense fails to recognise that computer systems have helped increase efficiency anyway.
There are guidelines for GPs for example about what a consultation with a person with diabetes, asthma etc should cover.
And a doctor saying to me that he/she only has time to take a history and not examine me is NOT ON. That is half-baked medicine !!
On the patient's responsibility side: I make sure I have checked what scripts I need and have a list ready, I also make a list of the issues I wish to discuss and questions I have about say, medication and possible side-effects. I also try to write down any questions I have and history of any symptoms etc I wish to mention.
 
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Aurelien_1009

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My Best Wishes to you @ColinS
I'm newbie and had be diagnosed with T2 diabebes for 3 month ago. I wanna ask a question because I see your post:
- Have you ever make any test to determine diabetes type before? I see we have 6 test, like C-peptide or Anti-GAD can help. My doctor didn't make any tests when I was diagnosed so I very curious. How long since you're diagnosed?
- As you said your mouth extremely dry, I have the same problem since I was diagnosed. I rode my bike in the evening (15-20km) since I was diagnosed. And my mouth dry when I sleep too. Always. Not thirsty, just very dry mouth when sleeping. Why dry mouth is the sign and we have tests for pancreatic cancer? I worry
Hope someone can give me some advice. Thank alot.
 

DCUKMod

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My Best Wishes to you @ColinS
I'm newbie and had be diagnosed with T2 diabebes for 3 month ago. I wanna ask a question because I see your post:
- Have you ever make any test to determine diabetes type before? I see we have 6 test, like C-peptide or Anti-GAD can help. My doctor didn't make any tests when I was diagnosed so I very curious. How long since you're diagnosed?
- As you said your mouth extremely dry, I have the same problem since I was diagnosed. I rode my bike in the evening (15-20km) since I was diagnosed. And my mouth dry when I sleep too. Always. Not thirsty, just very dry mouth when sleeping. Why dry mouth is the sign and we have tests for pancreatic cancer? I worry
Hope someone can give me some advice. Thank alot.

Dry mouth is just one of the common symptoms of diabetes, of all sorts. It is your body asking you to drink more, in order for it to try to get rid of some of the glucose in your urine.

The pancreatic cancer tests are unlikely to have been requested, purely, on the basis if a dry mouth. It is more likely due to high blood sugars and unexpected weightloss, and also just to rule it out.
 
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Ponchu

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Hmmm, Ponchu, not sure that stereotype is helpful in any way. Obesity in and of itself doesn't always tell us about a persons health or lifestyle and is irrelevant to a persons expertise on diabetes or any other subject.

Diabetes nurse should know better.

They routinely push carbs —. I attend gov’t conferences and trainings. At break, they provide donuts -sugar treats.

I’m not kidding.

There is a surrender mentality that as the director (nurse) of one facility said last week,

“I know. I know. I’ll eventually be on insulin” followed by the frequently used line

“You have to live, too, you know.”

It’s a malaise that destroys health.

Why do we go to the marriage counselor on his 5th marriage? The preachers pilfering the money?

Obesity is not healthy and when an obese medical professional lectures on type 2, one must be disingenuous in pretending not to notice.
 

ColinS

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What seems like endless trips to the Dr or Hospital.
Hi Aurelien
I was diagnosed with T2 in 2013, i had no problems until a few weeks ago. mine went wrong a few weeks ago, it wasnt gradual i woke one morning with a dry mouth like i had never had before even during or after running a marathon, I also drank lots of water because of the dry mouth and i did lose some weight quickly (I was not dieting at the time), the Dr sent me for a Blood Test and my results came back showed my count had gone from about 5mmol to 18.1mmol. I only had a blood test which showed a slight elevation of my blood sugar in 2013 and told to just adjust my diet which i did, then i had fasting blood tests every 6 months. You can buy a blood test kit and test yourself. If you look on page 1 for a post by Bluetit she give some good info on test kits. I hope this helps. If you are still concerned ask about on here there are loads of people willing to help with really good advice. Hope all goes well Aureline
 

ColinS

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What seems like endless trips to the Dr or Hospital.
Hi Kitedoc, Just read your post.
If you need to see the Dr for more than one problem you have to tell them when booking an appointment then they add 10min for every problem so if i had3 things i need to see the Dr about i am booked a 30min appointment, but the actual time spent with the Dr is (or never has been) more than 15 minutes. I have put pressure on a Dr when i first got my Blood test results this time and my results went up from 5mmol to 18mmol and was told the first available appointment was in 3 weeks time, i phoned 111 and came on here, then phoned the surgery back, i had to persist but finaly got a telephone consult, not ideal, i belive that i should have had an appointment booked by the Dr to see me and explain the test results and tell me what the next step was all i did get was a Telephone consult and "you might have pancras cancer and he was making an URGENT appointment that i should get within 2weeks" wonder if i will get a follow up appointment when those test results come through!.
Thanks Again Kitedoc for your input.
(PS, Sorry about the spelling, i am sure Pancreas is spelt differently).
 

ColinS

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Type 2
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What seems like endless trips to the Dr or Hospital.
Had my appointment through yesterday, need to go to the Gastroscpy / Endoscopy dept at 8:50 Sunday morning apparently they are checking my throat and stomach and missing out what i was told i was having checked. I did see the Dr this morning told him i was not too happy about not having the Pancrias checked for cancer (After i had worked myself up to have it) he booked me in for a scan, the Dr finally addressed my high blood sugar and gave me some tablets (Metformin). Still now i am going in the right direction hopefully.
 

ColinS

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What seems like endless trips to the Dr or Hospital.
Just come back from the Hospital, Got the all clear Yaaaaaaaaa!
 

ziggy_w

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Just come back from the Hospital, Got the all clear Yaaaaaaaaa!

Hi ColinS,

Congrats on getting the all clear. It must be such a relief.

How is your blood sugar testing going? Did you receive the meter and the strips yet?
 

ColinS

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Hi KK, They said that they have excluded cancer of the oesophagus,stomach and duodenum, no evedence of ulceration, inflammation or malignancy. They are still fast tracking a scan and/or radiolgical investigation (whatever that means). The specialist said he just wanted to cover all bases.
Hi Ziggy, got the meter and strips and have been testing, at the moment i am testing myself every morning before eating anything and the blood sugar is going between 17.1mmol and 14.5mmol, i weigh myself regularly. I have writen down all the results and will take them to the Dr when i go next. I am probably not using the Meter properly (Not been told how and when to use it) i will ask the Dr to explain when and how to take blood tests when i see him.
Thank you all for helping me through this i appreciate all the help you are giving me.