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- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Tablets (oral)
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Diet drinks - the artificial sweeteners taste vile.
Having to forswear foods I have loved all my life.
Trying to find low carb meals when eating out.
There is quite rightly a lot of interest in the study of the effects of a 600kcal per day diet for 8 weeks.
However it has also been posted that this is the first part of the Optifast diet plan.
The web site says
So is the secret of success just having a VLCD (very low calorie diet) of any design, specifically using the Optifast products, or is it only safe and effective when used withing the counselling and monitoring structure of the full Optifast plan?
I (probably along with many others) am always suspicious of diet plans which involve lots of additional (no doubt expensive) input from a commercial organisation. You have to wonder how much is directly beneficial and how much is for commercial gain.
Also, in this case the aim is not a lifestyle reorganisation as such but a short term harsh regime to flush fats out of your liver and pancreas.
The study suggests that this flushing of the liver and pancreas can have a significant effect even if other lifestyle and changes are still needed to maintain a healthy(er) weight.
I am referring to the ability to "pass" a Glucose Tolerance Test which I believe is usually beyond those who are maintaining good numbers by low carbing or other effective approaches.
So - should we be pushing for the NHS to offer a service to T2 diabetics which consists of an assesment of the fat levels in liver and pancreas, followed by a regulated 600kcal diet plan with medical supervision for 8 weeks (or less if your starting weight is in the "normal" range)?
This should not be beyond the NHS to design and fund and should also have positive cost benefits due to the reduction of the load subsequently on the NHS due to improved BG control.
Given that medical support for the diabetic community is an immense cost this should be a very attractive proposition for the NHS.
This may not be as attractive to drug companies and vendors of "whole life" diet plans.
A properly controlled study and regime would also have much higher benefits in confirming or denying the research results.
One off 600kcal diets which are not Optifast or designed specifically for the liver/pancreas flush (unless they all turn out to be 100% effective) may cloud the issue if the results are not positive.
The idea of an 8 week period of struggle followed by partial remission of T2 is an amazingly attractive one and I can't blame anyone for just going for it if they don't get the support of their HCPs.
Just please take care - extreme diets can be risky.
Cheers
LGC
Hmmm....possible business idea here?
600k camps which provide an environment for the extreme diet and also have a dedicated medical team for the monitoring instead of having to work around the demands of a GP's surgery?
Or perhaps a new 'pancreas flusher' plan which could be franchised like Weight Watchers?
However it has also been posted that this is the first part of the Optifast diet plan.
The web site says
Optifast® succeeds because it treats the whole you - not just your weight. It combines support and counselling, comprehensive lifestyle education and medical monitoring with a great-tasting very low calorie diet range to help people lose weight and significantly reduce weight-related health risks.
So is the secret of success just having a VLCD (very low calorie diet) of any design, specifically using the Optifast products, or is it only safe and effective when used withing the counselling and monitoring structure of the full Optifast plan?
I (probably along with many others) am always suspicious of diet plans which involve lots of additional (no doubt expensive) input from a commercial organisation. You have to wonder how much is directly beneficial and how much is for commercial gain.
Also, in this case the aim is not a lifestyle reorganisation as such but a short term harsh regime to flush fats out of your liver and pancreas.
The study suggests that this flushing of the liver and pancreas can have a significant effect even if other lifestyle and changes are still needed to maintain a healthy(er) weight.
I am referring to the ability to "pass" a Glucose Tolerance Test which I believe is usually beyond those who are maintaining good numbers by low carbing or other effective approaches.
So - should we be pushing for the NHS to offer a service to T2 diabetics which consists of an assesment of the fat levels in liver and pancreas, followed by a regulated 600kcal diet plan with medical supervision for 8 weeks (or less if your starting weight is in the "normal" range)?
This should not be beyond the NHS to design and fund and should also have positive cost benefits due to the reduction of the load subsequently on the NHS due to improved BG control.
Given that medical support for the diabetic community is an immense cost this should be a very attractive proposition for the NHS.
This may not be as attractive to drug companies and vendors of "whole life" diet plans.
A properly controlled study and regime would also have much higher benefits in confirming or denying the research results.
One off 600kcal diets which are not Optifast or designed specifically for the liver/pancreas flush (unless they all turn out to be 100% effective) may cloud the issue if the results are not positive.
The idea of an 8 week period of struggle followed by partial remission of T2 is an amazingly attractive one and I can't blame anyone for just going for it if they don't get the support of their HCPs.
Just please take care - extreme diets can be risky.
Cheers
LGC
Hmmm....possible business idea here?
600k camps which provide an environment for the extreme diet and also have a dedicated medical team for the monitoring instead of having to work around the demands of a GP's surgery?
Or perhaps a new 'pancreas flusher' plan which could be franchised like Weight Watchers?