Insulin resistance

[lucylocket61]

Agreed. I think one of the things that people with bad tempers do not understand or choose to ignore, myself included, is how damaging temper is to our relationships. When I suffer an upset, even on the forum like yesterday, I have a hard time sleeping. That said, I've always chosen to help the bad tempered too, but its at a cost. I can do it to a point, but I have my limits too.

This is off topic, but hopefully helpful: I try to keep in mind that if someone is naturally bad tempered and irritable, their response to me is not personal. Have a hug.

 

[mazza 2]

This is not true. Most Type 2 diabetics eventually need insulin. If you feel that a different diet changes this, please point me to the published, peer-reviewed research. I'm not interested in a book some guy is selling.


This is also not true. Insulin resistance is caused by many factors, but insulin itself does not cause it or worsen it.


Again, not true.


Requiring less insulin does not impact insulin resistance. Insulin resistance increases insulin production, but increased insulin production does not increase insulin resistance.


Post edited by moderator to remove a personal attack on another member.

It appears to me that you sound very angry and upset, correct me if I am wrong. I do not think anyone on this forum is telling lies or bullying. Yes, they are very passionate on their views but they are only sharing what has worked for them. No one has to act on their advice. Personally, I decided to try the LCHF approach and so far (touch wood) it works well for me. I'm not suggesting it works for everyone and not everyone wants to change their diet Depends on how they view things. As for all type 2 diabetics ending up on insulin, I don't see any evidence for that. I know a few people who have been type 2 for many years and are now in their 80's and they are not on insulin. So although there are no guarantees in life about how your diabetes may affect you in the future or any health issues for that matter, it's down to the individual to decide what is the right action for them to take. I hope you begin to feel better soon.

 

[HSSS]

Despite saying I wouldn’t, I have.

Here’s a journalistic piece https://idmprogram.com/insulin-causes-insulin-resistance-hormonal-obesity-x/ that is of interest. It links to 3 studies supporting the view exogenous insulin contributes to insulin resistance

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7851681
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8422777
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00279918#

 

[Bluetit1802]

Despite saying I wouldn’t, I have.

Here’s a journalistic piece https://idmprogram.com/insulin-causes-insulin-resistance-hormonal-obesity-x/ that is of interest. It links to 3 studies supporting the view exogenous insulin contributes to insulin resistance

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7851681
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8422777
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00279918#

Thank you for that @HSSS Very interesting indeed, and is yet more confirmation that what many of us on this forum have been saying. More evidence that insulin levels should be tested before drugs such as Gliclazide are given.

 

[poemagraphic]

@poemagraphic if you click on the search button you can read all of MEValentijn's posts. She's been living with a very challenging medical condition for 10 years and some of the diabetes care she's received has not been helpful. Sadly, the standard of care, a pill for every ill, does not serve us very well. But in fairness to the doctors, it's a real challenge to provide much else in a 6 minute appointment. Thankfully, there are a few exceptionally competent, caring local doctors out there who made a huge difference in my life. I've been very lucky in that regard. And so many doctors who took the time to teach what they've learned through books: Richard Bernstein, MD, Jason Fung, MD, Robert Lustig, MD, Stephen Phinney, MD, Jeff Volek, PhD, Sarah Hallberg, MD, Jeffrey Bland, PhD, the father of Functional medicine, and Mark Hyman, MD who was greatly influenced by Jeffrey Bland's work. Ivor Cunnins, though not an doctor, he's an engineer with a real knack for digging into the research. I could go on...

Edited to add... Terry Wahl, M.D., Nasha Winters, ND.

Hi Winnie
Thank you for posting this. I must admit I had not thought of doing that.
Po

 

[poemagraphic]

Despite saying I wouldn’t, I have.

Here’s a journalistic piece https://idmprogram.com/insulin-causes-insulin-resistance-hormonal-obesity-x/ that is of interest. It links to 3 studies supporting the view exogenous insulin contributes to insulin resistance

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7851681
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8422777
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00279918#

Great post HSSS
Thanks for the links
Po

 

[Winnie53]

Day 3 Link... https://go.kicksugarsummit.com/kss-2019-day-3-wednes

Oh my, am just finishing up the interview with Julia Ross, author of The Mood Cure and The Craving Cure, and she's discussing the amino acid therapies that helped so many people I knew in the 1990's with food bingeing problems.

She begins however with changes to our diet beginning in the 1970's. I had forgotten that when the wheat was changed in the US in the mid-70's, greatly increasing its production, it also increased the gluten content and it's opiod effect, which I assume made wheat more addictive...and therefore processed foods more addictive...

Longest interview in the event, but so worth a listen.

 

[NaijaChick]

So are we saying the injecting insulin results in a higher level of insulin resistance? I’m so confused.

 

[HSSS]

Yes. Take a look at the links on post 43.

If you have been shown to have high insulin levels already by test and still have high numbers then you have high insulin resistance (different story if it’s low or zero, then you need insulin from somewhere and if it can’t be your body then injection it is). Injecting more to try and force it to act by sheer volume alone adds in the long term to the problem, though it helps short term.

 

[NaijaChick]

What tests can I ask for to see if this is what I am suffering from?

 

[HSSS]

What tests can I ask for to see if this is what I am suffering from?

In the uk a lot of assumptions are made. Based on presentation, age, weight, response to medication and diet -or not. Tests such as C peptide are indicative of insulin levels (it’s produced alongside insulin). A lot of type 2 will be told it’s not necessary. (Not always correctly) Then it would be a matter to source the test privately. The HOMR I is a calculation of insulin or c peptide levels and fasting blood glucose to show level,of insulin sensitivity or resistance.

 

[Roseanne01]

hi,

What I’m going to say is anathema on this site. I’ve been Type 2 since the early 90's. In the last three years I’ve had to change me off oral meds because of kidney disease and cardiomyopathy, atrial fibrillation Abe all that goes with it. Have a pacemaker (crtd). Put on30 kilos since implant 2 years ago. (Implant slows heart rate) On Insulin. Exercise was just about impossible without major pain.i know what insulin resistance feels like. Switched back to a whole food plant based diet, extremely low fat. In. three weeks I’ve lived st over four kilos but even better all insulin resistance is gone. I went from 96 to 72 kiloss before on this. Unfortunately stress got in the way. I’m walking freely without pain, admittedly having to build or distabce but still no pain. Fat clogs up your cells making your insulin less effective. I've also started dropping my novo rapid from an average 12 units per meal to 8. Lantus still at previous levels on advice from specialist. Yeah I know I’m opposing the LCHF religion, but I actually think there’s going to be an epidemic of liver and kidney disease in a few years. It made me very ill. It’s a toxic process. plenty of videos on YouTube and you could read The China Study. Biggest research study on diet and illness ever. Any way just throwing a different view in here.

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[1spuds]

I dont know who wrote post #52 but congrats to you finding the answer to your problem.Perfect example how there is no one answer,and the wide variables we can present with.

 

[Winnie53]

I've used the low carb/ketogenic diet for 4 1/2 years. I crossed over to T2DM in 2005. My eGFR (kidney) is 104. My GGT (liver) is 11 - (9 is optimal). I'm doing fine. Glad ro read this forum member is doing better now on WFPB. That's all that matters.

 

[lucylocket61]

What I’m going to say is anathema on this site. I’ve been Type 2 since the early 90's. In the last three years I’ve had to change me off oral meds because of kidney disease and cardiomyopathy, atrial fibrillation Abe all that goes with it. Have a pacemaker (crtd). Put on30 kilos since implant 2 years ago. (Implant slows heart rate) On Insulin. Exercise was just about impossible without major pain.i know what insulin resistance feels like. Switched back to a whole food plant based diet, extremely low fat. In. three weeks I’ve lived st over four kilos but even better all insulin resistance is gone. I went from 96 to 72 kiloss before on this. Unfortunately stress got in the way. I’m walking freely without pain, admittedly having to build or distabce but still no pain. Fat clogs up your cells making your insulin less effective. I've also started dropping my novo rapid from an average 12 units per meal to 8. Lantus still at previous levels on advice from specialist. Yeah I know I’m opposing the LCHF religion, but I actually think there’s going to be an epidemic of liver and kidney disease in a few years. It made me very ill. It’s a toxic process. plenty of videos on YouTube and you could read The China Study. Biggest research study on diet and illness ever. Any way just throwing a different view in here.

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I am very glad your diet works for you. I would like to point out that insulin users have different dietary options than those of use who take no meds, or only metformin.

 

[Winnie53]

Many thanks to the moderator for editing Roseanne01's post. I now understand she is sharing her story, not someone elses.

Roseanne01 my husband has atrial fibrillation. And my friend has stage 4 chronic kidney disease so these are health issues that I've been learning about for some time now.

The biggest challenge with CKD is getting adequate amounts of protein. Animal based protein will further damage the already damaged kidneys, and plant based proteins are also problematic because intake of potassium, sodium, and phosphorus have to be kept low. For this reason, some are choosing to take essential amino acids that are specifically formulated for those with stage 3, 4, and 5 CKD. It's expensive though and health insurance typically doesn't pay for it. What stage are you at? Has your nephrologist discussed this option with you?

 

[jjraak]

well i just checked if the OP was still posting and seems Not.

however for those curious i remember seeing a link to measure our insulin resistance.

my numbers are coming down hba1c, lipid wise.
so i was wondering if i was not resistant..Nope.

But those IR numbers are approaching normal territory.
but i've still got a way to go,

LINK

 

[HSSS]

well i just checked if the OP was still posting and seems Not.

however for those curious i remember seeing a link to measure our insulin resistance.

my numbers are coming down hba1c, lipid wise.
so i was wondering if i was not resistant..Nope.

But those IR numbers are approaching normal territory.
but i've still got a way to go,

LINK

I’ve only seen insulin or c peptide and fasting glucose to demonstrate insulin resistance. I’m curious how trigs come into the equation in this calculation. Off to do some reading. I’m a little sceptical as mine is now right on the boundary of normal but there’s no way I can tolerate carbs.

 

[jjraak]

perhaps right @HSSS

above my learning level at moment, so can't vouch for accuracy or how it works.

if you find out, do let me know..i'd be interested in what you find..

 

[Winnie53]

jjraak, thank you for posting that link. I've been looking for a reference to that off and on for a while now. Ketogenic researchers Stephen Phinney, M.D., Ph.D and Jeff Volek, Ph.D. R.D. mention using the triglyceride and glucose results to estimate insulin resistance in their lectures.

It's useful, because it often is difficult to persuade your doctor to order an insulin test for you.