Putting the MeatFree burger to the test

[Oldvatr]

On the BBC today, an informal review by two reporters on an Impossible Burger

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-49046882/would-this-burger-tempt-you-to-eat-meat

According to CEO interview they have created heme iron by genetically modifying yeast. This is scary since what they are doing is genetically changing microbes in algae in a large scale industrial process. No mention of what controls are in place to ensure there are no rogue modifications happening. GMO scares me rigid. I thought GMO was restricted in the UK to experimental sites under strict controls, so how come these are freely on sale in the UK?

 

[Dark Horse]

I thought GMO was restricted in the UK to experimental sites under strict controls, so how come these are freely on sale in the UK?

This is information on GMOs from the Food Standards Agency:- https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/genetically-modified-foods

 

[Dark Horse]

they have created heme iron by genetically modifying yeast.

You might find this interesting:- https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/A...eme-the-secret-sauce-in-the-Impossible-Burger

 

[Oldvatr]

You might find this interesting:- https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/A...eme-the-secret-sauce-in-the-Impossible-Burger

So they get round the regs by having heme produced in this way classified as a colouring agent so it is no longer considered nutritional. The packet I have shows legheme which is the originl GM variant of heme not the Triton variant.

 

[Mbaker]

For balance, and just out of interest I would like to try to understand something about beef burgers in general.

My daughter was ravenous after a 2 hour football session Friday gone. She eats around 95% the same why as I do, so we stopped off at Sainbury's for some ready cooked chicken legs, which she had with cheese at home.

I wanted to get her something quick to turn around, so whilst in the supermarket I looked at the beef burgers, but could not see what the rusk content was, any other fillers etc. Is there like a standard formula for making beef burgers, e.g. 5 % fillers etc, binding agents, meat glue and the like in the UK. Is there a minimum amount of beef to have in place, I can't even think about burgers from portal outlets like at football events, after my dirty Keto experiment with one of the top fast food providers, where I just ate what they describe as a burger.

I am shocked about the GMO get around, if I played the same trick with my taxes, we all know what would happen.

 

[Oldvatr]

For balance, and just out of interest I would like to try to understand something about beef burgers in general.

My daughter was ravenous after a 2 hour football session Friday gone. She eats around 95% the same why as I do, so we stopped off at Sainbury's for some ready cooked chicken legs, which she had with cheese at home.

I wanted to get her something quick to turn around, so whilst in the supermarket I looked at the beef burgers, but could not see what the rusk content was, any other fillers etc. Is there like a standard formula for making beef burgers, e.g. 5 % fillers etc, binding agents, meat glue and the like in the UK. Is there a minimum amount of beef to have in place, I can't even think about burgers from portal outlets like at football events, after my dirty Keto experiment with one of the top fast food providers, where I just ate what they describe as a burger.

I am shocked about the GMO get around, if I played the same trick with my taxes, we all know what would happen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21059425

 

[Daphne917]

For balance, and just out of interest I would like to try to understand something about beef burgers in general.

My daughter was ravenous after a 2 hour football session Friday gone. She eats around 95% the same why as I do, so we stopped off at Sainbury's for some ready cooked chicken legs, which she had with cheese at home.

I wanted to get her something quick to turn around, so whilst in the supermarket I looked at the beef burgers, but could not see what the rusk content was, any other fillers etc. Is there like a standard formula for making beef burgers, e.g. 5 % fillers etc, binding agents, meat glue and the like in the UK. Is there a minimum amount of beef to have in place, I can't even think about burgers from portal outlets like at football events, after my dirty Keto experiment with one of the top fast food providers, where I just ate what they describe as a burger.

I am shocked about the GMO get around, if I played the same trick with my taxes, we all know what would happen.

It should be specified on the packaging. I tend to buy steak burgers which are 95% meat. I do the same with sausages.

 

[Mbaker]

It should be specified on the packaging. I tend to buy steak burgers which are 95% meat. I do the same with sausages.

Thanks, can I ask from where. We usually get all our stuff from the local famer, but if we haven't planned and it is still frozen (trying to not use the microwave), we can be caught short, so would be good to have a plan B; I have got myself a pattie maker, as I like the idea of making my own also.

 

[Tophat1900]

And here I thought you were going to actually try it, @Oldvatr

 

[bulkbiker]

as I like the idea of making my own also.

I make my own just beef with some salt and pepper, sometimes with extra chopped up cooked bacon if there is any in the fridge.. hand shaped. They seem to hold together fine like that.. then pan fry.
Bacon wrapped meat loaf is good to have around too..just slice some off when hungry and have it cold.

 

[Dark Horse]

So they get round the regs by having heme produced in this way classified as a colouring agent so it is no longer considered nutritional.

I think you have misunderstood. They, themselves, say that the way heme is currently being used would not qualify it as a colour additive. However, in the future there might be other products in which it could be used as a colour additive so they are trying to get approval for that use just in case.
https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/A...centrate-in-its-plant-based-Impossible-burger

 

[Oldvatr]

@Tophat1900 I had a run in with a vegan friendly pasty yesterday, and still recovering from it this morning. I have no desire to try any fake meat product synthesised by man i,e, artificial and industrially processed. I had enough experience with TVP and Quorn to put me off.

 

[Oldvatr]

I make my own just beef with some salt and pepper, sometimes with extra chopped up cooked bacon if there is any in the fridge.. hand shaped. They seem to hold together fine like that.. then pan fry.
Bacon wrapped meat loaf is good to have around too..just slice some off when hungry and have it cold.

Prefer to talk meatfree to keep on topic, please

 

[Tophat1900]

@Tophat1900 I had a run in with a vegan friendly pasty yesterday, and still recovering from it this morning. I have no desire to try any fake meat product synthesised by man i,e, artificial and industrially processed. I had enough experience with TVP and Quorn to put me off.

Well, I would of been shocked if you did. You can count me out also, for the same reasons.I'm not a supporter of fake food in any form. I did recently see them being offered at a burger place here in Australia. First time I have seen being offered.

 

[Oldvatr]

Here is a study on heme iron absorbtion being inhibited by plant polyphenols.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306181/
So will the soy proteins reduce the bioavalability of the iron, making it a marketing victory but a pyrrhic victory nonetheless.

 

[Goonergal]

Hey why has this thread been moved? Quality of food is of great importance to T2s? I only found this again because I was looking for the footie thread.

The thread was moved because the OP, while doubtless of interest and importance to many with diabetes, it is not specifically diabetes related.

 

[Oldvatr]

As OP I ask that we continue to discuss the safety and nutritional issues that were surfacing since this is an important aspect of our future safety when Eatwell #3 hits us.

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[Goonergal]

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[Goonergal]

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