at 11 pm 05/02/08 i had a bg of 30.5 mmol even after resuming my pioglitazone but i dont feel any affects at all can anyone explain this.
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Roger,
Its good news that you are back on medication, but that is only one of the tools in the box that you need to use. Blood glucose doesn't just manufacture itself - it is a direct reflection of what you eat and it sounds like you are eating food that will drive your sugar levels far too high. Just what did you have to eat that can have resulted in such a high level?
Its good news that you are back on medication, but that is only one of the tools in the box that you need to use. Blood glucose doesn't just manufacture itself - it is a direct reflection of what you eat and it sounds like you are eating food that will drive your sugar levels far too high. Just what did you have to eat that can have resulted in such a high level?
Ok sarah but i am on my meds now i am back on Pioglitazone which my Doctor prescribed for me 28/01/08 so its going to take a while for these pills to start working(his words not mine)he is confident that my sugars will return to acceptable levels within a month and i was drinking cans of coke to quell my thirst, i am seeing my practise nurse Thursday as apparently i have to resume my thyroxine medication as my thyroid gland is very underactive.I did take on board what you said before Sarah but it has taken time for me to realise what an idiot i have been thinking i could do without my pills as i didnt think that i would become ill.This is a curse in my family as my mother has type 1 my sister has gestational and i have type 2 so it must be genetic i suppose.
Oh Roger, cans of coke are almost pure liquid sugar!!! No wonder your sugar levels shot up to 35.
Either drink diet coke (if you don't mind the carcinogenic sugar substitute they use) or just drink water (as long as your water supply is not fluoridated).
Either drink diet coke (if you don't mind the carcinogenic sugar substitute they use) or just drink water (as long as your water supply is not fluoridated).
Caffiene free is even better especially diet 7 up- reported to be the most additive free of the drinks (apart from water really)
Marty B
Marty B
Our prefered drink is brewing up a pitcher of decaf tea.
We sweeten 1/2 gallon with a heaping 1/2 tspn of liquid stevia while the tea is still hot.
I don't drink my coffee sweetened, but my husband uses a couple of drops in his.
Stevia is a natural low GI sweetner.
Happy Trails,
Proverbs 17:22
We sweeten 1/2 gallon with a heaping 1/2 tspn of liquid stevia while the tea is still hot.
I don't drink my coffee sweetened, but my husband uses a couple of drops in his.
Stevia is a natural low GI sweetner.
Happy Trails,
Proverbs 17:22
Hi Roger,
It is horrible realising "what and idiot I have been"...I have been there myself to, so can empathise. The good thing is that you are now doing something about it. I am no expert on T2, but hopefully things will improve over the next few weeks. As Dennis says, don't touch any of the "fat" fizzy drinks though! Hope the nurse can help you get better control of your diabetes, and we are here to help (if we can!!!) I know that sometimes the advice can sound a bit brutal, but sometimes, its a case of being cruel to be kind.
Good luck!
It is horrible realising "what and idiot I have been"...I have been there myself to, so can empathise. The good thing is that you are now doing something about it. I am no expert on T2, but hopefully things will improve over the next few weeks. As Dennis says, don't touch any of the "fat" fizzy drinks though! Hope the nurse can help you get better control of your diabetes, and we are here to help (if we can!!!) I know that sometimes the advice can sound a bit brutal, but sometimes, its a case of being cruel to be kind.
Good luck!
"Blood glucose doesn't just manufacture itself - it is a direct reflection of what you eat and it sounds like you are eating food that will drive your sugar levels far too high. Just what did you have to eat that can have resulted in such a high level?"
Remeber that blood glucose can reach very high levels if there is severe insulin defiency- whcih can happen later on in type 2 diabetes. While I knw the person involved has been in denial for some time and not took care of their diabetes, they are now beginning to take some repsonsibility for their health. My concern with blood glucose as high as 30, would be that there may be a possibility of becoming acutely ill- I would check ketones at this level even if the diangosis was of type 2.
Also- as a type one myself- my blood glucose certainly does manufacture itself at times- to the point that I become hyperglycaemic-despite carefully couting carbs, going mainly for low GI and injecting insulin accordingly. I hope the person who wrote the above statement was referring to type 2s who still have some endogenous insulin produiction and can control the condition fairly easily
Remeber that blood glucose can reach very high levels if there is severe insulin defiency- whcih can happen later on in type 2 diabetes. While I knw the person involved has been in denial for some time and not took care of their diabetes, they are now beginning to take some repsonsibility for their health. My concern with blood glucose as high as 30, would be that there may be a possibility of becoming acutely ill- I would check ketones at this level even if the diangosis was of type 2.
Also- as a type one myself- my blood glucose certainly does manufacture itself at times- to the point that I become hyperglycaemic-despite carefully couting carbs, going mainly for low GI and injecting insulin accordingly. I hope the person who wrote the above statement was referring to type 2s who still have some endogenous insulin produiction and can control the condition fairly easily
Lynda,
Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe. A licence to sell it was first applied for in Europe in 1985 and as a result it underwent stringent testing, arranged by the EC Scientific Committee on Food. The results of those tests show that Stevia has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
Over here it is regarded as quite a scandal that the FDA continue to allow it to be sold on your side of the pond. I am even more surprised that, as an advocate of 'safe' natural foods over chemicals, you and your husband can even consider using it. And if this toxic substance is one that you are actually selling, then I suggest that you prepare yourselves for some very meaty law suits once its effects start to be seen.
Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe. A licence to sell it was first applied for in Europe in 1985 and as a result it underwent stringent testing, arranged by the EC Scientific Committee on Food. The results of those tests show that Stevia has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
Over here it is regarded as quite a scandal that the FDA continue to allow it to be sold on your side of the pond. I am even more surprised that, as an advocate of 'safe' natural foods over chemicals, you and your husband can even consider using it. And if this toxic substance is one that you are actually selling, then I suggest that you prepare yourselves for some very meaty law suits once its effects start to be seen.
Hi Abi,
You are of course absolutely right. But my response was specific to Roger, who I know to be Type 2, and whose hyper was late in the evening and therefore more likely to have been in response to the copious quantities of coke than gluconeogenesis.
You are of course absolutely right. But my response was specific to Roger, who I know to be Type 2, and whose hyper was late in the evening and therefore more likely to have been in response to the copious quantities of coke than gluconeogenesis.
well i just got back fron the nurse and my cholesterol is 5.6 my hba1c is 11.7 so im now back also on my ezetrol from today and my thyroxine at 50microgrammes to start off with but in the coming months that probably have to increase,however she was very kind and sympathetic and was not angry that i had stopped my medication as exercise alone doesnt work but at present im still on pioglitazone which she thinks will reduce my bg to normal levels.
Glad to hear it Roger but please do remember you need to pay attention to your diet and watch the amount of carbs you eat.
Best wishes
SarahQ
Best wishes
SarahQ
If we live in ignorance, we cannot really be held responsible for our actions. I think we all started out with this when we were diagnosed, and the learning process is a journey we all have to make in our own time. Its easier to live in denial about the illness than it is to adapt our way of life to help manage it, but at the end of the day the doctors won't really care one way or the other if we don't help ourselves. Its not their life, its not their body.
Roger, People get frustrated on here when they see others in denial as some of them are suffering badly from the complications of their illnesses. If they didn't care, they wouldn't get worked up about your problems !
HBa1C 6.3 T2
Roger, People get frustrated on here when they see others in denial as some of them are suffering badly from the complications of their illnesses. If they didn't care, they wouldn't get worked up about your problems !
HBa1C 6.3 T2
"he doctors won't really care one way or the other if we don't help ourselves. Its not their life, its not their body"
There are some very committed caring doctors in both General Practice and Diabetes- who actually delight in helping patients to achieve better control, or at least seeing the patient get better control Of course at the end of the day they can go home from the clinic and forget about it ( unless they happen to have diabetes themselves) so I understand what you mean- and I have heard anecdotes of apalling care- with either apathy torwards poor control or unreasonable blame. I would say blame is unreasonable when there are social or psychological factors or other physical illness impacting on cotnrol, or when the professional in question does not properly understand the condition and the patient is on an unsuitable regimen with inadequate testing equipment and lacks knowledge eg of carb couting
There are some very committed caring doctors in both General Practice and Diabetes- who actually delight in helping patients to achieve better control, or at least seeing the patient get better control Of course at the end of the day they can go home from the clinic and forget about it ( unless they happen to have diabetes themselves) so I understand what you mean- and I have heard anecdotes of apalling care- with either apathy torwards poor control or unreasonable blame. I would say blame is unreasonable when there are social or psychological factors or other physical illness impacting on cotnrol, or when the professional in question does not properly understand the condition and the patient is on an unsuitable regimen with inadequate testing equipment and lacks knowledge eg of carb couting
Abi, the Key phrase is 'help ourselves'. If we have no desire to improve our lot, it will be a pointless exercise them even trying to offer the best advice or regime.
At some stage we have to take ownership of this problem as its our lives on the line if we don't !
HBa1C 6.3 T2
At some stage we have to take ownership of this problem as its our lives on the line if we don't !
HBa1C 6.3 T2
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<br />Lynda,
Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe. A licence to sell it was first applied for in Europe in 1985 and as a result it underwent stringent testing, arranged by the EC Scientific Committee on Food. The results of those tests show that Stevia has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
Over here it is regarded as quite a scandal that the FDA continue to allow it to be sold on your side of the pond. I am even more surprised that, as an advocate of 'safe' natural foods over chemicals, you and your husband can even consider using it. And if this toxic substance is one that you are actually selling, then I suggest that you prepare yourselves for some very meaty law suits once its effects start to be seen.
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Dennis,
Thank you for your comment.
Yes I feel we live in a third world country when it comes to health and health education.
No I don't sell stevia, but I will do more research.
<br />Lynda,
Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe. A licence to sell it was first applied for in Europe in 1985 and as a result it underwent stringent testing, arranged by the EC Scientific Committee on Food. The results of those tests show that Stevia has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
Over here it is regarded as quite a scandal that the FDA continue to allow it to be sold on your side of the pond. I am even more surprised that, as an advocate of 'safe' natural foods over chemicals, you and your husband can even consider using it. And if this toxic substance is one that you are actually selling, then I suggest that you prepare yourselves for some very meaty law suits once its effects start to be seen.
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Dennis,
Thank you for your comment.
Yes I feel we live in a third world country when it comes to health and health education.
No I don't sell stevia, but I will do more research.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dennis</i>
<br />Lynda,
Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe. A licence to sell it was first applied for in Europe in 1985 and as a result it underwent stringent testing, arranged by the EC Scientific Committee on Food. The results of those tests show that Stevia has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
Over here it is regarded as quite a scandal that the FDA continue to allow it to be sold on your side of the pond. I am even more surprised that, as an advocate of 'safe' natural foods over chemicals, you and your husband can even consider using it. And if this toxic substance is one that you are actually selling, then I suggest that you prepare yourselves for some very meaty law suits once its effects start to be seen.
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Hay Dennis,
I did some more due diligence on Stevia and found this:
European Commission, Scientific Committee On Food - Opinion on stevioside as a sweetener (adopted on 17/6/99). http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/out34_en.pdf
I couldn’t find the studies you stated that the Commission called for in 1985, but this says that they evaluated what the petitioner had submitted and from that formed their opinion.
If I understand this right, the petitioner basically didn’t do their job in submitting adequate studies to prove the safety of their product.
As far as the fertility issues, the Committee had no hard evidence there either. I have yet to find where it’s toxicity has been proven. (Read their Conclusion)
I’ve found that when words such as, “possible, may, could,” etc. are used it means that “it’s not a fact and we're guessing”, so I do more of my own research and come up with my own “possible, may and could be’s.”
You’ll find that the studies the Committee sites used high doses. Anything used in excess is harmful no matter how healthy or safe it is, i.e. eating 1 orange is healthy, but eating 10 oranges at one time (typically as a large glass of processed orange juice) is unhealthy in that it spikes sugars. That’s what we do with many things in our excessive lifestyles. One of the main causes for diabetes, excessiveness. Our bodies were design to function in natural balance. These studies appear to have used stevia with extreme excessiveness.
As many others, I don’t put a lot of confidence in government agencies to be looking out for my best interest. For example, why does there need to be a law that I can’t buy vitamins unless I have a prescription from my doctor. A study of the endocrine and nervous system was an eye opener for me in the <b>game of addiction</b> with the food and pharmaceutical drug manufactures that are government approved. Far more detrimental than a possible, may, could be slightly toxic natural product if taken in mega doses.
As I said before, I don’t sell stevia. There are a lot of natural health products our family uses but there’s only one we promote that we receive any compensation for and you’ve read our story on that ( http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?t=1012 ) and why we are so passionate about it.
Here are some of the other studies I’ve found on stevia:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1468 ... stractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1627 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1612 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1468 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1456 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8143 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1469 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1264 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1097 ... d_RVDocSum
Although I found over 100, I’ll stop with that.
After reading the Committee’s opinion and reading some of the research for myself I concluded pretty much the same as this article reads:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/stevia.html.
Certainly, everyone has to form their own opinion.
P.S. This was a good exercise.
Happy Trails,
Proverbs 17:22
<br />Lynda,
Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe. A licence to sell it was first applied for in Europe in 1985 and as a result it underwent stringent testing, arranged by the EC Scientific Committee on Food. The results of those tests show that Stevia has the potential to produce adverse effects in the male reproductive system that could affect fertility and that a metabolite produced by the human gut microflora, steviol, is genotoxic (ie. damages DNA).
Over here it is regarded as quite a scandal that the FDA continue to allow it to be sold on your side of the pond. I am even more surprised that, as an advocate of 'safe' natural foods over chemicals, you and your husband can even consider using it. And if this toxic substance is one that you are actually selling, then I suggest that you prepare yourselves for some very meaty law suits once its effects start to be seen.
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Hay Dennis,
I did some more due diligence on Stevia and found this:
European Commission, Scientific Committee On Food - Opinion on stevioside as a sweetener (adopted on 17/6/99). http://ec.europa.eu/food/fs/sc/scf/out34_en.pdf
I couldn’t find the studies you stated that the Commission called for in 1985, but this says that they evaluated what the petitioner had submitted and from that formed their opinion.
If I understand this right, the petitioner basically didn’t do their job in submitting adequate studies to prove the safety of their product.
As far as the fertility issues, the Committee had no hard evidence there either. I have yet to find where it’s toxicity has been proven. (Read their Conclusion)
I’ve found that when words such as, “possible, may, could,” etc. are used it means that “it’s not a fact and we're guessing”, so I do more of my own research and come up with my own “possible, may and could be’s.”
You’ll find that the studies the Committee sites used high doses. Anything used in excess is harmful no matter how healthy or safe it is, i.e. eating 1 orange is healthy, but eating 10 oranges at one time (typically as a large glass of processed orange juice) is unhealthy in that it spikes sugars. That’s what we do with many things in our excessive lifestyles. One of the main causes for diabetes, excessiveness. Our bodies were design to function in natural balance. These studies appear to have used stevia with extreme excessiveness.
As many others, I don’t put a lot of confidence in government agencies to be looking out for my best interest. For example, why does there need to be a law that I can’t buy vitamins unless I have a prescription from my doctor. A study of the endocrine and nervous system was an eye opener for me in the <b>game of addiction</b> with the food and pharmaceutical drug manufactures that are government approved. Far more detrimental than a possible, may, could be slightly toxic natural product if taken in mega doses.
As I said before, I don’t sell stevia. There are a lot of natural health products our family uses but there’s only one we promote that we receive any compensation for and you’ve read our story on that ( http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?t=1012 ) and why we are so passionate about it.
Here are some of the other studies I’ve found on stevia:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1468 ... stractPlus
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1627 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1612 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1468 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1456 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8143 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1469 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1264 ... d_RVDocSum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1097 ... d_RVDocSum
Although I found over 100, I’ll stop with that.
After reading the Committee’s opinion and reading some of the research for myself I concluded pretty much the same as this article reads:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/stevia.html.
Certainly, everyone has to form their own opinion.
P.S. This was a good exercise.
Happy Trails,
Proverbs 17:22
Lynda,
I admire your determination. I do understand your point about the testing of excessive levels. My daughter-in-law is scientist in the pharma industry, specialising in regulatory affairs testing, so its a topic I have learned a little about. The main reason that excessive amounts are always tested is that, whilst people like you and me might use a sensible amount of a substance, there are many people who can't be trusted to do that. I guess they have to be protected from themselves!
If you are happy that it is safe to use then by all means continue to use it. I won't be joining you because (a) I'm a cautious guy, and (b) the importation and sale of Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe, including the UK.
I admire your determination. I do understand your point about the testing of excessive levels. My daughter-in-law is scientist in the pharma industry, specialising in regulatory affairs testing, so its a topic I have learned a little about. The main reason that excessive amounts are always tested is that, whilst people like you and me might use a sensible amount of a substance, there are many people who can't be trusted to do that. I guess they have to be protected from themselves!
If you are happy that it is safe to use then by all means continue to use it. I won't be joining you because (a) I'm a cautious guy, and (b) the importation and sale of Stevia is totally banned throughout Europe, including the UK.
