Farmed Salmon made the lab rats obese and diabetic...

[Cocosilk]

This is disturbing... I hope all farmed salmon aren't this bad... I've been eating supermarket salmon for years...

Just reading this now too though:


https://foodsafetech.com/news

Foodsafe Responds To Ethoxyquin Ban With 10E, An Approved Ethoxyquin Replacer
January 2019

Now that the EU has fully implemented its complete ban on Ethoxyquin as a feed antioxidant, many feed pre-mixers and processors are finding it difficult to distinguish between stabilizing their export products and domestic products. This coupled with Ethoxyquin’s ability to remain in animal tissues even after rendering, leaves processors vulnerable for having export products rejected for residuals of a banned substance. Processors have been turning to FoodSafe Technologies for alternative solutions.

FoodSafe Technologies product Extend-Ox™ 10E is a cost-effective formula combining proven synthetic antioxidants into one formula blend to be used as a direct ethoxyquin replacer. Extend-Ox™ 10E has been used in multiple feed applications to stabilize fats and lipids that were formally stabilized with ethoxyquin now that ethoxyquin cannot be used in feeds for EU processing applications, including feed pre-mixes, pet foods and aquaculture applications.

The full 2019 ban of Ethoxyquin in the EU (and Australia) follows the European Food Safety Authority’s (EFSA) earlier findings of one of ethoxyquin’s metabolites, ethoxyquin quinone imine, to be possibly genotoxic, and p-phenetidine, an impurity that could be present from the manufacturing process, to be possibly mutagenic, prompting the ban. In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration has found a verifiable connection between ethoxyquin and buildup of protoporphyrin IX in the liver, as well as elevations in liver-related enzymes in some animals. Back in 1997, the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine asked pet food manufacturers to voluntarily limit ethoxyquin levels to 75 ppm. In its continuous reach to improve ingredient listings, the Pet Food industry has informally banned ethoxyquin. This same 75 ppm limit for ethoxyquin is rationally applied in feed pre-mixes for animals produced for human consumption.

In most cases, FoodSafe Technologies will conduct comparative trials to optimize the raw materials stability, establishing the right dosing and formula mixtures. At the end of test process, FoodSafe Technologies delivers a product with equal performance to ethoxyquin, overcoming the export regulatory burdens and banned substance worries.

To learn more about how FoodSafe Technologies Extend-Ox™ 10E can help your Ethoxyquin replacement programs in feeds, please EMAIL [email protected]

 

[Member496333]

It can't easily be dismissed out of hand, but personally I believe there are bigger problems in the average diet than some farmed salmon. Also;

• Rodents probably aren't very well evolutionarily adapted to eat fish.
• Rodents in these types of studies are universally fed all kinds of other artificial slop.
• You're not a rodent

There's probably some truth to it, and I have no doubt that pollutants are bad, but disentangling all the data and attempting to make it relevant to humans is probably next to impossible.

 

[NicoleC1971]

I agree with Jim in that even farmed salmon trumps buckets of starch. I recall Eric Westman advising his not so wealthy patients to eat burgers and just cut out the buns.
I try to eat wild salmon which has eaten the omega 3 rich algae versus industrially farmed stuff as I think they get fed on starches!

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

I've tried to avoid farmed fish because of things I've read, but I'm guilty of being complacent and aware of cost. The fresh Alaskan Salmon from Abel & Cole being £45 per kg as opposed to £20 per kg from Regal Fish. I read somewhere that Norwegian doctors warn mothers not to eat farmed salmon because the high levels of toxins in farmed salmon are known to be damaging to the developing brains in babies. I think we tend to overlook or not even think about things if we don't experience obvious problems. I eat salmon at least once a week, as well as other fish, I should re-assess the source of the salmon before I eat much more.

I'm having a liver biopsy on Friday as my liver function has been poor since I was prescribed Rosiglitazone, no longer available in the UK. It's part of an investigation into why I can't lose weight on a low calorie diet which has been as low as 800 cals per day and as high as 1200 calories per day, both significantly lower than the 2300 cals per day as calculated using the Harris Benedict formula. As I haven't consumed alcohol in ten years, I have always wondered what toxins I've been consuming apart from the metformin, plus the meds I take for high blood pressure, the meds I took for high cholesterol and the meds I took for type II no longer required because of low carb diet. I wonder what they will find or should I say what they're looking for.

 

[JohnEGreen]

All I know is that on the advice of one of his professors my GS will not touch farmed fish in particular salmon and after watching certain documentary programs I buy sea caught fish only I actually emailed youngs fish foods and asked them about farmed fish.

If you won't eat processed foods why would you eat cage farmed salmon they are sprayed with the most horrific mix of toxic chemicals.

 

[Indy51]

The stuff that's been published lately about the Scottish farmed salmon - and also more locally to me, the Tasmanian farmed salmon - is all uniformly horrific. Most of the fish are diseased, infested with parasites, fed garbage and very low in omega 3 compared with wild caught fish. I decided to give up eating it a while back when a lot of the scandals about it in Tasmania came out.

 

[Tophat1900]

The stuff that's been published lately about the Scottish farmed salmon - and also more locally to me, the Tasmanian farmed salmon - is all uniformly horrific. Most of the fish are diseased, infested with parasites, fed garbage and very low in omega 3 compared with wild caught fish. I decided to give up eating it a while back when a lot of the scandals about it in Tasmania came out.

Yeah, I remember that. There was a program on TV about it. Can't remember what it was called.

 

[Cocosilk]

According to this, ethoxyquin has been used in livestock feed as well as in farmed salmon fish meal... https://www.feednavigator.com/Artic...replacement-for-ethoxyquin-in-vitamin-product

 

[Cocosilk]

I've tried to avoid farmed fish because of things I've read, but I'm guilty of being complacent and aware of cost. The fresh Alaskan Salmon from Abel & Cole being £45 per kg as opposed to £20 per kg from Regal Fish. I read somewhere that Norwegian doctors warn mothers not to eat farmed salmon because the high levels of toxins in farmed salmon are known to be damaging to the developing brains in babies. I think we tend to overlook or not even think about things if we don't experience obvious problems. I eat salmon at least once a week, as well as other fish, I should re-assess the source of the salmon before I eat much more.

I'm having a liver biopsy on Friday as my liver function has been poor since I was prescribed Rosiglitazone, no longer available in the UK. It's part of an investigation into why I can't lose weight on a low calorie diet which has been as low as 800 cals per day and as high as 1200 calories per day, both significantly lower than the 2300 cals per day as calculated using the Harris Benedict formula. As I haven't consumed alcohol in ten years, I have always wondered what toxins I've been consuming apart from the metformin, plus the meds I take for high blood pressure, the meds I took for high cholesterol and the meds I took for type II no longer required because of low carb diet. I wonder what they will find or should I say what they're looking for.

Just found this: https://foodsafetech.com/news

Foodsafe Responds To Ethoxyquin Ban With 10E, An Approved Ethoxyquin Replacer
January 2019

Now that the EU has fully implemented its complete ban on Ethoxyquin as a feed antioxidant, many feed pre-mixers and processors are finding it difficult to distinguish between stabilizing their export products and domestic products. This coupled with Ethoxyquin’s ability to remain in animal tissues even after rendering, leaves processors vulnerable for having export products rejected for residuals of a banned substance. Processors have been turning to FoodSafe Technologies for alternative solutions.

FoodSafe Technologies product Extend-Ox™ 10E is a cost-effective formula combining proven synthetic antioxidants into one formula blend to be used as a direct ethoxyquin replacer. Extend-Ox™ 10E has been used in multiple feed applications to stabilize fats and lipids that were formally stabilized with ethoxyquin now that ethoxyquin cannot be used in feeds for EU processing applications, including feed pre-mixes, pet foods and aquaculture applications.

The full 2019 ban of Ethoxyquin in the EU (and Australia) follows the European Food Safety Authority’s (EFSA) earlier findings of one of ethoxyquin’s metabolites, ethoxyquin quinone imine, to be possibly genotoxic, and p-phenetidine, an impurity that could be present from the manufacturing process, to be possibly mutagenic, prompting the ban. In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration has found a verifiable connection between ethoxyquin and buildup of protoporphyrin IX in the liver, as well as elevations in liver-related enzymes in some animals. Back in 1997, the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine asked pet food manufacturers to voluntarily limit ethoxyquin levels to 75 ppm. In its continuous reach to improve ingredient listings, the Pet Food industry has informally banned ethoxyquin. This same 75 ppm limit for ethoxyquin is rationally applied in feed pre-mixes for animals produced for human consumption.

In most cases, FoodSafe Technologies will conduct comparative trials to optimize the raw materials stability, establishing the right dosing and formula mixtures. At the end of test process, FoodSafe Technologies delivers a product with equal performance to ethoxyquin, overcoming the export regulatory burdens and banned substance worries.

To learn more about how FoodSafe Technologies Extend-Ox™ 10E can help your Ethoxyquin replacement programs in feeds, please EMAIL [email protected]

 

[TeddyTottie]

I dunno if all farmed salmon is equally as bad - I know I stopped buying anything from Norway as taste and texture were very poor compared to the fish from Scotland. Obviously this is just my subjective opinion, but the fact that my local supermarket (a chain renowned for sourcing cheaper food) only sells Norwegian product seems to suggest that there are indeed, different standards pertaining in the industry. I get mine from another supplier these days.

Maybe I’m just kidding myself - I expect none of it is that great really, but it’s hard to source wild fish in a town without a fishmonger, and if we all ate that, where would wild stocks be? Although of course if there weren’t fish farms the wild stock would be healthier and more numerous. So we are told. It’s hard to do the right thing in the modern world...

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

The full 2019 ban of Ethoxyquin in the EU

I hate to mention the B word, but I suppose that as part of the benefits of leaving the EU we will have to tolerate all sorts of **** in our food. Nice one! That was sarcasm by the way.

edited by moderator for language

 

[Tophat1900]

I've tried to avoid farmed fish because of things I've read, but I'm guilty of being complacent and aware of cost. The fresh Alaskan Salmon from Abel & Cole being £45 per kg as opposed to £20 per kg from Regal Fish. I read somewhere that Norwegian doctors warn mothers not to eat farmed salmon because the high levels of toxins in farmed salmon are known to be damaging to the developing brains in babies. I think we tend to overlook or not even think about things if we don't experience obvious problems. I eat salmon at least once a week, as well as other fish, I should re-assess the source of the salmon before I eat much more.

I'm having a liver biopsy on Friday as my liver function has been poor since I was prescribed Rosiglitazone, no longer available in the UK. It's part of an investigation into why I can't lose weight on a low calorie diet which has been as low as 800 cals per day and as high as 1200 calories per day, both significantly lower than the 2300 cals per day as calculated using the Harris Benedict formula. As I haven't consumed alcohol in ten years, I have always wondered what toxins I've been consuming apart from the metformin, plus the meds I take for high blood pressure, the meds I took for high cholesterol and the meds I took for type II no longer required because of low carb diet. I wonder what they will find or should I say what they're looking for.

All drugs are processed through the liver, so yeah, there is an impact to consider. I had previously been taking Azathioprine for a long time, longer then I should of been taking it apparently. My doctors kept talking about how we need to lower it down gradually and get you off it.

Problem was, all they did was talk about it and never did it until my GGT levels hit over 500... I was sent to a liver specialist who wanted to get me off the same drug my doctors had been just talking about removing. Once this was done, my ggt levels started coming back down, but not before peaking at 1100 and yes, I felt pretty ill at that level. They are still not at normal levels but they are stable and have been for years now. This failure to address the issue in the first place caused some serious liver injury.

 

[ianf0ster]

Back in 1997, the FDA Center for Veterinary Medicine asked pet food manufacturers to voluntarily limit ethoxyquin levels to 75 ppm. In its continuous reach to improve ingredient listings, the Pet Food industry has informally banned ethoxyquin. This same 75 ppm limit for ethoxyquin is rationally applied in feed pre-mixes for animals produced for human consumption.

'this same limit ..... is rationally applied in feed pre-mixes for animals produce for human consumption' ? !

 

[Member496333]

To throw a spanner in the works, who here can say they know what their vegetables and grains are being drowned in? That's not to derail, but to highlight that these things are rarely as simple as they seem. I think it's very difficult these days to avoid some pollutants in our food system. That doesn't excuse any poor salmon farming practices, and two wrongs don't make a right, but it may add some balance for those super concerned. That is to say that I doubt anyone at all is completely avoiding chemical pollutants in their food.

 

[ianf0ster]

I doubt anyone at all is completely avoiding chemical pollutants in their food.

I agree, a disturbing film on this (pollution) subject is Dark Waters - not yet released in the UK.

 

[OrsonKartt]

I used to use supermarket Salmon a lot. Then found lydls frozen wild salmon .... great for fish stews, if you are into that sort of cooking, which I am. Nearly as cheap as chips too !

 

[lindisfel]

Any sea fish that are relatively long lived have P.C.B.s in their fat tissues.
Polychlorinatedbiphenols.
Perhaps Scottish salmon are relatively low on industrial toxins, apart from farming and forestry toxins

When burnt pcbs produce dioxins.

Even wild caught fish have p.c.b.s in them and top of the food chain predators, like Seals and Orcas, have the most. Hence some Orcas are having difficulties reproducing viable young.

It is the nature of right wing governments to relax standards as Trump has done for Uncle Sam.
The promiscuous use of Roundup in farming in the uk, is a concern.
D.

 

[lindisfel]

It is enough for me to know how Salmon farming is damaging coastal ecosystems by excessive poisons and masses of salmon waste.
They are going to move them further out to sea if they can?
D.