10.9 2 hours after dinner

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Really? It should be higher than that? I really need to find a dietician or diet plan
Pasta (even a portion that I think is pretty small and safe...) will always make me go into double numbers.
If going to eat it I try for lunch so can be active afterwards and do some hoovering, gardening or a long walk to try and bring numbers down. Pasta makes my numbers go up and stay up for a long time. It would be the next morning I see a better level.
 
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Thank you everyone. I have just done anothet blood test (two hours after my cake and 500ml ice-cream tub) astonishingly, my blood level is 6.6? How is this?
That’s great you saw it come down again, that’s a great post meal reading, I’d be happy with that! May be the fat in the cake and ice Cream? Liver dump helped?
Hehe before I was on insulin if I ate honey, pasta, cake and ice cream 2 hours later I would be on 24.0!
 

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I’m type 1 and have to injec,t nearly 2 hours after I’ve eaten spag bog , it’s notorious for raising bs being type 1 I can easily remedy it but it’s far more difficult if your type 2 I should imagine , I also find results from eating pasta can Vary from day to day.
 

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10.9 isnt too much to worry about in the short term, i wouldnt say it wa stoo high a couple of hours after eating something like paste, id suggest testing again in another hour or so, it will likely come down naturally, readings like 10.9 arent dangerously high in the short term and are to be expected in the hours after eating, even a non diabetic can have spikes a couple of hours after eating something like pasta
Actually anything over 7.8 can be causing damage so minimising the time you spend over this level makes a great deal of sense. Maybe as a one off it’s not so bad but repeatedly going to these numbers after meals all adds up. 2 hrs after meals shouldn’t still be this high and aren’t normal. If they are typical for you you are eating the wrong things as a type 2 or perhaps not balancing your eating and medication as a type 1. In the background it will also be making insulin even higher in a type 2 adding to insulin resistance thus making the whole problem even worse.
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html
 
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Actually anything over 7.8 can be causing damage so minimising the time you spend over this level makes a great deal of sense. Maybe as a one off it’s not so bad but repeatedly going to these numbers after meals all adds up. 2 hrs after meals shouldn’t still be this high and aren’t normal. If they are typical for you you are eating the wrong things as a type 2 or perhaps not balancing your eating and medication as a type 1. In the background it will also be making insulin even higher in a type 2 adding to insulin resistance thus making the whole problem even worse.

Another link on the same web page (it wont let me post a direct link but look for the Diabetes-and-Hyperglycaemia page) also defines hyperglycemia as being above 11 two hours after meal time which is why i said 10.9 isnt too much to worry about after having a high carb meal, if type 1, i'd suggest waiting another hour or so and checking again, then correct with more insulin if required, i've had readings similar to this in the past but an hour later its returned to a normal level without a correction
 

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Another link on the same web page (it wont let me post a direct link but look for the Diabetes-and-Hyperglycaemia page) also defines hyperglycemia as being above 11 two hours after meal time which is why i said 10.9 isnt too much to worry about after having a high carb meal, if type 1, i'd suggest waiting another hour or so and checking again, then correct with more insulin if required, i've had readings similar to this in the past but an hour later its returned to a normal level without a correction
No, if it’s my link you refer to it says if you are over 11 at 2 hrs post prandial or at a random time (ie at any point in time) you are diabetic. It also says regardless of type the absolute highest anyone should aim for post prandial is 9mmol with under 7.8 considered a normal reaction. Yes it may continue to drop after that time but that increases your time above a safe level, therefore increases risk of complications long term. Type 2 , as the original poster is, does not have the option to dose with insulin, nor should they want to, as type 2 already have overly high levels of insulin but are resistant to it. Adding more just adds to the resistance

Edit. I think you are referring to https://www.diabetes.co.uk/Diabetes-and-Hyperglycaemia.html which again refers to absolute Diagnostic levels rather than desirable levels.
 

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10.9 isnt too much to worry about in the short term, i wouldnt say it wa stoo high a couple of hours after eating something like paste, id suggest testing again in another hour or so, it will likely come down naturally, readings like 10.9 arent dangerously high in the short term and are to be expected in the hours after eating, even a non diabetic can have spikes a couple of hours after eating something like pasta

How complacent you have in actuality any evidence for any of that 10.9 after 2 hours for any one is protracted hyperglycemia by definition whether that agrees with your subjective view point or not hypoglycemic levels are damaging I for one would not be so blase about it. But you are entitled to your opinion and can be happy about having that sort of level if you wish but here you are advising others and should be more concerned that the advise you give is not going to lead to harm for some one else.
 
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I’m type 1 and have to injec,t nearly 2 hours after I’ve eaten spag bog , it’s notorious for raising bs being type 1 I can easily remedy it but it’s far more difficult if your type 2 I should imagine , I also find results from eating pasta can Vary from day to day.
Hugely. I am not a big pasta lover but have really tried to start eating more when I go on the bike or play football

Iv had to under inject the amount of insulin pre meals when eating pasta. Iv done my count and found say 7 units needed so I take that but 2-3 hours later I'm going into hypo range. I seem to opposite to you staying high. Very strange
 

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Please note that the original post is from a prediabetic (type 2 in waiting possibly) not a type 1 on insulin so response to high levels varies. Though the type 1’s commenting are uniformly agreeing pasta causes large rises.
 
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I'm no expert, but well done on loosing the weight. I understand your frustration with a one off reading, but keep the faith and try and not dive in to the ice cream tub next time, you're a very naughty boy. Keep at it pal.
 
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My understanding is that honey is just the same as sugar, whether natural or not. For ice cream, I buy the no-sugar added, to me it as just as good, and sometimes I have no sugar added syrups on it, such as butterscotch. However the Hershey's seemed bitter when I tried it. Also, is it okay to eat a whole-grain pasta? How much better is that for you than regular? I was shocked because I went from pre-diabetes, to normal, then found out on my most recent blood test that I am full-diabetic, and was on the previous test also - as I had been disabled and getting back to work, I had the govt ****** clinic insurance. It should be mandatory that if something is serious that they double check that they have reached the patient and they know the results. The good news is that I am 61, hope to not use insulin if possible, and change this by diet if possible. It explains why I keep wanting to go back to bed if I don't HAVE to stay up -
 

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Reading the posts in here I’m totally confused now.

Here is the advice I was given by the diabetes nurse specialist as they found out I was a steroid induced type 2 diabetic.

Nothing about after food just on waking and 2 hours after my evening meal.

It’s make absolute sense to me to do it x hours after food but is their a definitive answer as what officially the reading limits are to be please!

Btw learnt much in here I am very grateful for so please excuse so ‘Beginner questions” at times.

Kind regards, JoMar
 

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My understanding is that honey is just the same as sugar, whether natural or not. For ice cream, I buy the no-sugar added, to me it as just as good, and sometimes I have no sugar added syrups on it, such as butterscotch. However the Hershey's seemed bitter when I tried it. Also, is it okay to eat a whole-grain pasta? How much better is that for you than regular? I was shocked because I went from pre-diabetes, to normal, then found out on my most recent blood test that I am full-diabetic, and was on the previous test also - as I had been disabled and getting back to work, I had the govt ****** clinic insurance. It should be mandatory that if something is serious that they double check that they have reached the patient and they know the results. The good news is that I am 61, hope to not use insulin if possible, and change this by diet if possible. It explains why I keep wanting to go back to bed if I don't HAVE to stay up -
Hello @sugarfreevanillapudding ,

You're responding to a message that's 3 years old, so I think they've got it sorted by now. ;) But welcome to the club! I know, not one you or any of us wanted to join, but here we are, and we've got each other. To answer your question, whole grain is still carby. Your body doesn't really care if a carb is white, brown, wholemeal, whatever... It's still a carb and it needs to be processed, which we're not terribly good at. There are other alternatives, like using aubergine or courgette (spiralised), or (riced) broccoli or cauliflower. And then there's Konjac, but that's an aquired taste to some. https://josekalsbeek.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-nutritional-thingy.html might help some get the diet part of this sorted.

Good luck!
Jo
 

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Reading the posts in here I’m totally confused now.

Here is the advice I was given by the diabetes nurse specialist as they found out I was a steroid induced type 2 diabetic.

Nothing about after food just on waking and before my evening meal.

It’s make absolute sense to me to do it x hours after food but is their a definitive answer as what officially the reading limits are to be please!

Btw learnt much in here I am very grateful for so please excuse so ‘Beginner questions” at times.

Kind regards, JoMar
The bulk of us here are going against the grain. I was told not to test, as were many others here. Then there are those who should test, but only upon waking or before a meal, which tells you exactly nothing, if you're trying to get your blood sugars under proper control through diet or medication. You need to test to know what works for you, and what doesn't. But if they say you should test, then they have to pay for it.... And that would basically bankrupt the NHS, which is a bit, you know... Not good. I self-fund, getting only 40 euro's worth of test strips per year through my insurance, but after a lot of testing in the beginning, I know what eggs'll do, or a bit of salmon with veg. No need to check. I just use strips now to see what I'm up to when I have Covid (just getting over yet another bout of it, *sigh*. But topped out at 8,9 mmol/l, which I guess is pretty good, considering!), or got a steroid shot or something. In the end, all they can do is advise. If you want to test, no-one's going to slap the meter out of your hands, no-one can stop you if it's what you want to do. You do have a choice here. You can do what I did, and test your heart out. You can do what the nurse tells you, which is decidedly cheaper in the short term. You can....? It's entirely up to you. And if something doesn't sit right with you, go with your gut, and if possible, your meter.

As for the meal advice on there, a fruity salad would mess me up no end... So between the printed and the hand written advice, I'm not seeing a whole lot that'd actually be helpful to you. My doc tells me I can have birthdaycake though... I love her to bits, I really do, but diabetes is not her forte. So I just do what has worked for me these past 7 years, and has kept me in the normal range. It might mean doing something entirely different for you though: we're all different and there's no real one-size-fits-all.

As for ranges, I got these off https://www.diabetes.co.uk/controlling-type2-diabetes.html , but keep in mind they're not that rigid... Blood sugars fluctuate, and you don't have to get everything back to perfect immediately. It takes a little time.
  • 4 to 7 mmol/l before meals and when fasting
  • 4 to 8.5 mmol/l 2 hours following meals
Good luck!
Jo
 

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The bulk of us here are going against the grain. I was told not to test, as were many others here. Then there are those who should test, but only upon waking or before a meal, which tells you exactly nothing, if you're trying to get your blood sugars under proper control through diet or medication. You need to test to know what works for you, and what doesn't. But if they say you should test, then they have to pay for it.... And that would basically bankrupt the NHS, which is a bit, you know... Not good. I self-fund, getting only 40 euro's worth of test strips per year through my insurance, but after a lot of testing in the beginning, I know what eggs'll do, or a bit of salmon with veg. No need to check. I just use strips now to see what I'm up to when I have Covid (just getting over yet another bout of it, *sigh*. But topped out at 8,9 mmol/l, which I guess is pretty good, considering!), or got a steroid shot or something. In the end, all they can do is advise. If you want to test, no-one's going to slap the meter out of your hands, no-one can stop you if it's what you want to do. You do have a choice here. You can do what I did, and test your heart out. You can do what the nurse tells you, which is decidedly cheaper in the short term. You can....? It's entirely up to you. And if something doesn't sit right with you, go with your gut, and if possible, your meter.

As for the meal advice on there, a fruity salad would mess me up no end... So between the printed and the hand written advice, I'm not seeing a whole lot that'd actually be helpful to you. My doc tells me I can have birthdaycake though... I love her to bits, I really do, but diabetes is not her forte. So I just do what has worked for me these past 7 years, and has kept me in the normal range. It might mean doing something entirely different for you though: we're all different and there's no real one-size-fits-all.

As for ranges, I got these off https://www.diabetes.co.uk/controlling-type2-diabetes.html , but keep in mind they're not that rigid... Blood sugars fluctuate, and you don't have to get everything back to perfect immediately. It takes a little time.
  • 4 to 7 mmol/l before meals and when fasting
  • 4 to 8.5 mmol/l 2 hours following meals
Good luck!
Jo

Again you come to my rescue, thank you again.:)

My test strips & lancets are on repeat prescription for free (I am a tad, no that’s not true :) I am a long way passed 65 :)

I will try the regime you suggest as it makes sense to me!

They kindly have given me for free a spare test kit to keep on me when I am away from home.

Again, kind regards & thank you, JoMar)

Ps my dietary advice not “normal” as this was from the Crohns dietician (she works hand in hand with the hospital diabetes dietician).

I think I’ll test 1st thing on waking and 2 hours after either lunch or evening meal!
 

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I think I’ll test 1st thing on waking and 2 hours after either lunch or evening meal!
The testing after a meal does kind of need to be done with testing just before it. In pairs. It shows you how much the food you just ate affected your levels. If you don’t test before you won’t know how much it raised you by.

Eg if you start at 5 and go to 9 it raised you by 4 two hrs later, ie too many carbs for you to cope with for now. If you started at 8 and went to 9 the food itself was much better and can be considered “safe” as it only raised you by 1 even if you started a little too high beforehand.

The reasoning behind the paired testing is that a non diabetic is usually back to their starting point after 2 hrs. (Though even they might stay higher a little longer occasionally with a high carb meal). Now we are diabetic and meters aren’t precise so we aim for close to that to try and mimic a normal response controlled by our choice of food intake and allow a little leeway by saying less than 2mmol higher at the 2 hr mark.
 

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Again you come to my rescue, thank you again.:)

My test strips & lancets are on repeat prescription for free (I am a tad, no that’s not true :) I am a long way passed 65 :)

I will try the regime you suggest as it makes sense to me!

They kindly have given me for free a spare test kit to keep on me when I am away from home.

Again, kind regards & thank you, JoMar)

Ps my dietary advice not “normal” as this was from the Crohns dietician (she works hand in hand with the hospital diabetes dietician).

I think I’ll test 1st thing on waking and 2 hours after either lunch or evening meal!
Testing around meals simply won't tell you much unless you have a before-and-after set of results. You're using the blood glucose level figures to inform you how well your system dealt with what you ate.

If you eat carbs as part of a meal, it will trigger a rise in blood glucose. That happens to everyone, diabetics and non-diabetics. Non-diabetics typically see lower rises and faster falls because of a better insulin response, because they don't have insulin resistance.

So - your blood glucose level will rise during the first hour or so. The BG level should then start to fall as your insulin gets to work and the idea is that after two hours your insulin response has been such that you're back at, or fairly close to, the baseline reading.

Example - A single small latte will take me from a baseline of 5.4 to around 8.6 after 30 minutes. That's caused just by the lactose in the milk, no sugar involved. However by one hour I'll be back below 6.0 and back to baseline (5.3) by around 90 minutes. The meter information (taken from a CGM) therefore confirms that at present my system can deal properly with a single small latte. It's the first and last readings that tell you that. What happens in between isn't so essential to know.
 

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Testing around meals simply won't tell you much unless you have a before-and-after set of results. You're using the blood glucose level figures to inform you how well your system dealt with what you ate.

If you eat carbs as part of a meal, it will trigger a rise in blood glucose. That happens to everyone, diabetics and non-diabetics. Non-diabetics typically see lower rises and faster falls because of a better insulin response, because they don't have insulin resistance.

So - your blood glucose level will rise during the first hour or so. The BG level should then start to fall as your insulin gets to work and the idea is that after two hours your insulin response has been such that you're back at, or fairly close to, the baseline reading.

Example - A single small latte will take me from a baseline of 5.4 to around 8.6 after 30 minutes. That's caused just by the lactose in the milk, no sugar involved. However by one hour I'll be back below 6.0 and back to baseline (5.3) by around 90 minutes. The meter information (taken from a CGM) therefore confirms that at present my system can deal properly with a single small latte. It's the first and last readings that tell you that. What happens in between isn't so essential to know.

Not fixed my diet yet obviously…

Took reading before breakfast and was 5.3
2 hours later was at 7.9

I cup of rice crispies with almond milk (no sugars variety) xylitol sweetener
1 cup of tea with same almond milk and a sweetener.

Any suggestions please and are readings acceptable pls!

Oh I took 1 500mg metfirmin and 1 40mg gliz…. Immediately after breakfast.

Many thanks, JoMar
 

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Not fixed my diet yet obviously…

Took reading before breakfast and was 5.3
2 hours later was at 7.9

I cup of rice crispies with almond milk (no sugars variety) xylitol sweetener
1 cup of tea with same almond milk and a sweetener.

Any suggestions please and are readings acceptable pls!

Oh I took 1 500mg metfirmin and 1 40mg gliz…. Immediately after breakfast.

Many thanks, JoMar
The rice crispies were responsible. All cereals are grains and they are usually around two thirds carbs. Not the thing a type 2 needs. Try non grain based breakfasts. Eggs, bacon, last nights leftovers, porridge or granola made from non grain items. If you do a search on breakfasts you’ll get loads of threads with options and discussions on the subject.

The whole cereals for breakfast thing was a great marketing option from Mr Kellog. Many countries don’t have special foods for breakfast. It’s simply the first meal of the day, whenever that happens.

as to whether it’s suitable it’s a bit too high, not a large portion and unlikely to keep you full for long anyway. There’s better choices