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I work two jobs, went back on Monday 7th as a school escort, 1 child is off today because of a bad tummy, 1 child, who I had before has always been a sneezer, sometimes with a runny nose and he suffer from nose bleeds too. I try my utmost to keep safe and to hopefully keep others safe too. My PPE has just arrived by post from the County councils School Escort team, I have a 50 ml tube of hand-gel, 4 pairs of disposable blue gloves and a visor, which looks like the size of Darth Vader's original face cast !! I am still on furlough with my other job, which I can work during school hols and weekends, when work in available in my home town, I don't drive so I walk or take public transport.
I am type 1, 31 years, over 60, with other medical conditions.
I love my both my jobs, both very different, but being a school escort, for me, is so rewarding.
 
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@Tannith , whilst I respect your decision, as a person exhibiting capacity, regarding your proposed procedure, I would ask you to consider two things:

Firstly, how long it could be before the procedure would happen. If there is a waiting list, the position relating to COVID could be different by then, and secondly, why your consultant proposed the action.

To be clear, I mm not asking the reason. However if he wants to rule out or in something sinister, the consequences of deferring or declining could be catastrophic.

Finally, would you consider asking your consultant if you could be first of the day on the list?

My partner's daughter works in OT and Anaesthetics, and their process have really been doubled down, with many more layers of caution in place. Where possible (i.e. not emergency, life or die cases) patients have a COVID test prior to admission/day of the op. From the negative test, patients must continue to self-isolate.

Good luck whichever route you choose.
 

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Had an interesting chat with both my Head and the Union today and then a surprising development at the end of the day.

Firstly was the chat with the Head. Nice guy to be fair and was nicely complimentary about his hopes that I will stay as I do a good job., Nice to hear and I only half jokingly replied that I would hope that I will still be doing a good job this time next year!! He listened well and I think he understands my concerns and admitted his concerns as well because he has a new born so there was a lot of empathy there. At the same time, and understandably so, they are a school and that's what we are there for.

The only thing that was a bit frustrating was that he commented that I sat outside classrooms (with the teachers permission I hasten to add) and the Head said that whilst that's okay at the moment as LSA's we are there to support the students and so me doing that in two months time wouldn't really be doing my job. Fair enough but at the same time he understood that would mean less than 1 metres distance in an enclosed classroom.

Work from home is not an option as it's not my role and whilst he did say they didn't want to lose me he said that "if" I decided to leave they would sort something out with regards to as to why I left as he was aware if you leave voluntarily you can't claim any benefit. He then jokingly said that they wouldn't put it down as "gross misconduct!!" I think he mis phrased at one point though because he said that if I did leave they would support me financially,. I was quite excited for a moment but I think he meant the sorting something out with regard to the reason I left. For a minute I thought I was going to receive a Golden Handshake!! :)

I did request a compromise as training and the computer room is packed inside with staff. I asked if it would be possible for me to leave when the students have gone and thus work at home for that extra hour checking emails, writing reports and studying the training Power Point slides from home rather than at school. He said he would look into that. I will follow up that it would be under review as I'm not asking for that forever but we could have a meeting each month to see if it is safer to do that at school as time goes on. I suspect his worry is if I ask then everyone will, although that wouldn't be a bad idea as all that stuff can be down from home.

I asked if he would be happy to talk to my Union rep and he admitted that as a Head he would prefer not to talk to Unions but said his door was open. So fairly positive and they do listen to be fair and I totally understand their point of view as well.

I then spoke to the Union who said that the school do seem to be doing what they can, which is more than some other schools. The rep said that the problem is these schools are going by Government guidance and as long as that guidance is followed it is deemed a "safe workplace" even if you and I feel it's not. So if say you refuse to work because in your view it is not safe any Employment Tribunal could argue that they are following all the guidance so they are doing what they can. In a nutshell it isn't the schools that have got it wrong but the Government. The only way this will change sadly is when infections and/or deaths show the Government that their guidelines "aren't safe".

Unfortunately we as clinically vulnerable are seen as a problem. If you are shielded and get 100% advice from a medical professional that you should work from home then that is what happens. However the rest of us are all labelled as the same. Clinically vulnerable but ok to go in to work. There is a wide range of conditions and risks with hundreds of thousands of people but all just walloped under one bracket with no real individual consideration at all. For instance a controlled diabetic is under the same category as an uncontrolled asthmatic. Someone with high blood pressure is in the same category as someone with another condition and it goes on and on. Schools generally want those who just carry on regardless without any concern, but in fact it is those people who are the problem because it is likely that people who don't really worry will be the ones bringing Covid into the workplace!

The surprise at the end of the day was changes coming in from tomorrow as a result of feedback from the Health and Welfare Sheet that all staff completed. One way systems are back and ALL staff are to wear masks or visors indoors. These have been implemented partly due to staff feedback and the increasing rates around the country. Some staff apparently complained about others not socially distancing properly so all staff were again reminded that they must do so. So the guidelines are changing week by week and it wouldn't surprise me if more changes are to come over the weeks and months.

One idea that I hadn't mentioned to my Head which would solve the problem would be a staggered week. Half the students in Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning with the other half Wednesday afternoon through till Friday. Anyone not at school has online lessons. Half the staff would work from home in a rota system and all clinically vulnerable staff would work at home remotely all week. Makes sense to me!
 

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Had an interesting chat with both my Head and the Union today and then a surprising development at the end of the day.

Firstly was the chat with the Head. Nice guy to be fair and was nicely complimentary about his hopes that I will stay as I do a good job., Nice to hear and I only half jokingly replied that I would hope that I will still be doing a good job this time next year!! He listened well and I think he understands my concerns and admitted his concerns as well because he has a new born so there was a lot of empathy there. At the same time, and understandably so, they are a school and that's what we are there for.

The only thing that was a bit frustrating was that he commented that I sat outside classrooms (with the teachers permission I hasten to add) and the Head said that whilst that's okay at the moment as LSA's we are there to support the students and so me doing that in two months time wouldn't really be doing my job. Fair enough but at the same time he understood that would mean less than 1 metres distance in an enclosed classroom.

Work from home is not an option as it's not my role and whilst he did say they didn't want to lose me he said that "if" I decided to leave they would sort something out with regards to as to why I left as he was aware if you leave voluntarily you can't claim any benefit. He then jokingly said that they wouldn't put it down as "gross misconduct!!" I think he mis phrased at one point though because he said that if I did leave they would support me financially,. I was quite excited for a moment but I think he meant the sorting something out with regard to the reason I left. For a minute I thought I was going to receive a Golden Handshake!! :)

I did request a compromise as training and the computer room is packed inside with staff. I asked if it would be possible for me to leave when the students have gone and thus work at home for that extra hour checking emails, writing reports and studying the training Power Point slides from home rather than at school. He said he would look into that. I will follow up that it would be under review as I'm not asking for that forever but we could have a meeting each month to see if it is safer to do that at school as time goes on. I suspect his worry is if I ask then everyone will, although that wouldn't be a bad idea as all that stuff can be down from home.

I asked if he would be happy to talk to my Union rep and he admitted that as a Head he would prefer not to talk to Unions but said his door was open. So fairly positive and they do listen to be fair and I totally understand their point of view as well.

I then spoke to the Union who said that the school do seem to be doing what they can, which is more than some other schools. The rep said that the problem is these schools are going by Government guidance and as long as that guidance is followed it is deemed a "safe workplace" even if you and I feel it's not. So if say you refuse to work because in your view it is not safe any Employment Tribunal could argue that they are following all the guidance so they are doing what they can. In a nutshell it isn't the schools that have got it wrong but the Government. The only way this will change sadly is when infections and/or deaths show the Government that their guidelines "aren't safe".

Unfortunately we as clinically vulnerable are seen as a problem. If you are shielded and get 100% advice from a medical professional that you should work from home then that is what happens. However the rest of us are all labelled as the same. Clinically vulnerable but ok to go in to work. There is a wide range of conditions and risks with hundreds of thousands of people but all just walloped under one bracket with no real individual consideration at all. For instance a controlled diabetic is under the same category as an uncontrolled asthmatic. Someone with high blood pressure is in the same category as someone with another condition and it goes on and on. Schools generally want those who just carry on regardless without any concern, but in fact it is those people who are the problem because it is likely that people who don't really worry will be the ones bringing Covid into the workplace!

The surprise at the end of the day was changes coming in from tomorrow as a result of feedback from the Health and Welfare Sheet that all staff completed. One way systems are back and ALL staff are to wear masks or visors indoors. These have been implemented partly due to staff feedback and the increasing rates around the country. Some staff apparently complained about others not socially distancing properly so all staff were again reminded that they must do so. So the guidelines are changing week by week and it wouldn't surprise me if more changes are to come over the weeks and months.

One idea that I hadn't mentioned to my Head which would solve the problem would be a staggered week. Half the students in Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday morning with the other half Wednesday afternoon through till Friday. Anyone not at school has online lessons. Half the staff would work from home in a rota system and all clinically vulnerable staff would work at home remotely all week. Makes sense to me!
There are some positive things there which is good news,certainly good about more attention to be paid to social distancing and masks.
I think the current situation is making a difference.
There was an interesting zoom conference by March for Change yesterday involving head of Royal College of Nurses,GMB union,Mps etc. GMB are certainly strongly advocating for members ,especially those who are having to choose between health and paying bills.
Sadly as it stands at the moment government guidance to Covid Safety at work is just that,legally we have no protection.
Split schooling sounds excellent and I've heard it suggested before akong side hiring extra rooms etc. I think it would take a lot of money,time and resources that the government are not prepared to pay.
If things do change,maybe I'm being cynical,but I feel it will be a gradual process. It could be the rate of deaths rises or childeren start becoming unwell and change is because there is no option.
Meanwhile those that are vulnerable will remain between a rock and a hard place.
 
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There are some positive things there which is good news,certainly good about more attention to be paid to social distancing and masks.
I think the current situation is making a difference.
There was an interesting zoom conference by March for Change yesterday involving head of Royal College of Nurses,GMB union,Mps etc. GMB are certainly strongly advocating for members ,especially those who are having to choose between health and paying bills.
Sadly as it stands at the moment government guidance to Covid Safety at work is just that,legally we have no protection.
Split schooling sounds excellent and I've heard it suggested before akong side hiring extra rooms etc. I think it would take a lot of money,time and resources that the government are not prepared to pay.
If things do change,maybe I'm being cynical,but I feel it will be a gradual process. It could be the rate of deaths rises or childeren start becoming unwell and change is because there is no option.
Meanwhile those that are vulnerable will remain between a rock and a hard place.

Absolutely agree. I personally now feel I have no choice but to stay on and just try and stay as safe as possible. I love the job and have no real issue with the school or my employers it's just Covid and the Governments ineptness that I have issues with.

I certainly can't survive on benefits, especially for a period of time and as I have said before on Universal Credit you are expected to take any old job that comes up, if there are any of course, and you could end up going from the frying pan into the fire.

I'm certainly more fortunate than those in Primary or Secondary schools where the number of students and staff are double or triple, maybe more than where I am and with autistic children their social lives can be very different. They can be more insular and more homebody's than others. If I was a kid at school again I would be the worst child to have in a class,. Always out after dark playing football with 30 others, never washing hands, downing a bottle of Merry Down Cider and 10 silk cut!! I'd be a risk assessment in itself!!
 
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Am glad that there were some positives in your day Max, but do so wish that the government was more sensible in it's approach, and you and others could work from home. It's hard enough being a teacher, without all this added stress.
Read yesterday that the school Boris visited and was pictured sitting on the floor amongst a group of children, has a member of staff tested positive for Covid, so it will be interesting in the coming days to see if Boris succumbs again. Sorry I don't have a link to post.
 

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@Tannith , whilst I respect your decision, as a person exhibiting capacity, regarding your proposed procedure, I would ask you to consider two things:

Firstly, how long it could be before the procedure would happen. If there is a waiting list, the position relating to COVID could be different by then, and secondly, why your consultant proposed the action.

To be clear, I mm not asking the reason. However if he wants to rule out or in something sinister, the consequences of deferring or declining could be catastrophic.

Finally, would you consider asking your consultant if you could be first of the day on the list?

My partner's daughter works in OT and Anaesthetics, and their process have really been doubled down, with many more layers of caution in place. Where possible (i.e. not emergency, life or die cases) patients have a COVID test prior to admission/day of the op. From the negative test, patients must continue to self-isolate.

Good luck whichever route you choose.
Thank you for your concern. He is going to refer me anyway, and it would mean 3 separate visits. I'm guessing there would be quite a long waiting list anyway, and when I get my appointments I shall just postpone. And continue postponing until I have been vaccinated. I have something unusual called "cyclical vomiting syndrome", which as it's name suggests, is very unpleasant indeed. But it is not life threatening.
 

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report from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association.
The Latest News on the Coronavirus Outbreak ]
More than 70,000 cases were reported in children from Aug. 20 through Sept. 3 – a 16% increase over two weeks, according to the report, which is updated weekly. As of Sept. 3, at least 513,415 child cases had been documented, which equates to nearly 10% of the total cases in the U.S.

"These numbers are a chilling reminder of why we need to take this virus seriously," Sara Goza, president of the academy, said in a statement. "While much remains unknown about COVID-19, we do know that the spread among children reflects what is happening in the broader communities."https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...us-children-have-been-diagnosed-with-covid-19
 

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I had a telephone appointment with a gastroenterology consultant this afternoon. He said he was referring me for a scan and a camera down my throat into my stomach & a gastric emptying test. I replied that I would not be going anywhere near a hospital until there was a vaccine.He said it would be safe as "everyone wears masks now". I just thanked him but repeated that I would not be going anywhere near a hospital.
Both my OH and I have had to have tests in hospital - both unplanned. The Covid measures put in place more than reassured us. I’m glad that I went as it put my mind at ease. If your consultant didn’t think it was necessary to do the scan I’m sure he would not suggest it - particularly with the currently long waiting lists.
 
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https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsinfecdis.0c00288
Endogenous glutathione deficiency appears to be a crucial factor enhancing SARS-CoV-2-induced oxidative damage of the lung and, as a result, leads to serious manifestations, such as acute respiratory distress syndrome, multiorgan failure, and death in COVID-19 patients. When the antiviral activity of GSH is taken into account, individuals with glutathione deficiency seem to have a higher susceptibility for uncontrolled replication of SARS-CoV-2 virus and thereby suffer from an increasing viral load. The severity of clinical manifestations in COVID-19 patients is apparently determined by the degree of impaired redox homeostasis attributable to the deficiency of reduced glutathione and increased ROS production....Glutathione deficiency in COVID-19 patients with serious illness may also be a result of decreased consumption of fresh vegetables and fruits (especially during winter and spring seasons), which contributes to over 50% of dietary glutathione intake.The hypothesis suggests that SARS-CoV-2 virus poses a danger only for people with endogenous glutathione deficiency, regardless which of the factors aging, chronic disease comorbidity, smoking or some others were responsible for this deficit.
 
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The latest findings cover the period between 22 August and 7 September 2020, testing over 150,000 people.

Overall prevalence of infection in the community was 0.13%, or 13 people per 10,000.

Prevalence doubled every 7.7 days.

Reproduction number R was estimated to be 1.7.

Prevalence of infection was highest in Yorkshire and the Humber and the North West at 0.17% followed by 0.16% in the North East.

There were no significant differences between the prevalence of infection for key workers and non-key workers.

The highest rates of infection were at 0.25% in young adults aged 18 to 24 years, up from 0.08% from 24 July to 11 August. However, the prevalence of infection increased at all ages from 18 to 64 years between July and August 2020.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...for-coronavirus-reinforces-need-for-vigilance
 

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And as we know, more spread in the young means more of the virus is circulating to the older ones.

It's going to be an interesting month.
 

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They have let the tiger out the cage and all we can do now is ride the tiger.

Is the rule of six enough to hold it in check?
I doubt it.

I just hope my occasional visits to shops and pharmacy is enough to keep safe.
D.
 

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I’m following this whole thread very closely.

I’m a type 1 teaching assistant in a middle school. (Years 5 to 8.)

My head fought with staff all throughout the summer about mask wearing, basically refusing point blank.
I sent numerous emails saying how much more vulnerable I am and he still said no.
In the end I asked my diabetes consultant to write to him insisting he allowed me to wear a mask.
This was still a problem for my head, he phoned saying he needed to discuss it further.
He knew in May my intention of returning to work in September, under the condition I wear a mask.
He did not carry out a risk assessment until yesterday, breaching the Union’s advice.

Then at the last minute, he said masks were optional in corridors but MUST be removed in class rooms. (Due to the government’s last minute guidelines.)
Four staff, (all in the NEU,) decided to start as we meant to go on and wore our masks on teacher training day. We did not remove them, making a point.
The head didn’t bring the matter up, we believe he realised he couldn’t do anything.
All staff move around school and the children stay in the same classroom throughout the day.
The classes are small and poorly ventilated, (old building,) all classes have 32-34 children sitting shoulder to shoulder, the teacher and a TA.
It’s very difficult to stay 2m away, I’m unable to support the children and I am following the ‘2m guidelines’ stringently.
All the other TA’s are ignoring the guidelines, they sit right next to the children and there is no social distancing between staff.
I brought this up with he head and he sent an email asking staff to remember to the 2m rule. It’s not made any difference.
He asked me what the school is doing well, I had to think of something. I told him hand sanitizer was a small bonus but it’s cancelled out by everything else.
I’m mixing with almost 300 children throughout the day, hot seating with their year group bubbles.
Following my meting with him (my union rep supported me) I went into the school office to get the laminator and the bitchy office manager and business manager said if I was so “scared” they would pass the laminator through the window.
They then told me I want allowed in an empty classroom to laminate as it was not scheduled to be used or cleaned until Monday.
I told them I would wipe down everything I touched in the classroom.
On return to the office with the laminator, the office manager literally threw the wet wipes at me and told me to wipe the laminator down. I told her I already had, and she replied, “yes, but you had to carry it down the corridor.”
This was uncalled for and since it happened right after my risk assessment meeting (the business manager took notes,) I feel the conversation i had in the meeting room has been discussed with the office manager, therefore breaking confidentiality.

I have used the laminator previously and was not asked to clean it, nor are any of my colleagues. We are all touching photo copiers and door handles constantly, and we all must remember to clean out hands as much as possible. It’s impossible to keep ‘clean’ 100%.

I’m extremely anxious and feel I’m the only one who cares, other than my union members and rep.

I mentioned what the office staff had said to my friend/colleague (who is also my union rep.)

She immediately said that was a union matter and low level bullying which could escalate. I gave her a full and detailed account of what was said and how I felt and she emailed my head on my behalf and as union rep.

He won’t accept the email unless I have an informal conversation as per the grievance policy. I told him I was not going to discuss it informally without my union rep. He won’t do it and said if I want it resolving it must be done as per the grievance policy.

Due to my fragile state, anxiety and stress, I do not want to have to go over things again and again. My blood sugars are all over the place, every say I go to work and something else happens.

Sadly, I don’t have the “fight” in me to peruse this grievance informally so the office staff have “won”.
This is not me, I fight for my rights.....

I just want peace.

****** hell, I can’t believe how much I’ve written...... if nobody reads it I can wholeheartedly understand. It’s get it off my chest so I suppose it’s been of benefit.

I want to see my GP and attempt to be signed off for anxiety. I feel physically sick, I can feel my heart beating in my throat, I’m shaky and can’t sleep, focus or smile. I’m so disengaged.

Happy weekend.....


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I’m following this whole thread very closely.

I’m a type 1 teaching assistant in a middle school. (Years 5 to 8.)

My head fought with staff all throughout the summer about mask wearing, basically refusing point blank.
I sent numerous emails saying how much more vulnerable I am and he still said no.
In the end I asked my diabetes consultant to write to him insisting he allowed me to wear a mask.
This was still a problem for my head, he phoned saying he needed to discuss it further.
He knew in May my intention of returning to work in September, under the condition I wear a mask.
He did not carry out a risk assessment until yesterday, breaching the Union’s advice.

Then at the last minute, he said masks were optional in corridors but MUST be removed in class rooms. (Due to the government’s last minute guidelines.)
Four staff, (all in the NEU,) decided to start as we meant to go on and wore our masks on teacher training day. We did not remove them, making a point.
The head didn’t bring the matter up, we believe he realised he couldn’t do anything.
All staff move around school and the children stay in the same classroom throughout the day.
The classes are small and poorly ventilated, (old building,) all classes have 32-34 children sitting shoulder to shoulder, the teacher and a TA.
It’s very difficult to stay 2m away, I’m unable to support the children and I am following the ‘2m guidelines’ stringently.
All the other TA’s are ignoring the guidelines, they sit right next to the children and there is no social distancing between staff.
I brought this up with he head and he sent an email asking staff to remember to the 2m rule. It’s not made any difference.
He asked me what the school is doing well, I had to think of something. I told him hand sanitizer was a small bonus but it’s cancelled out by everything else.
I’m mixing with almost 300 children throughout the day, hot seating with their year group bubbles.
Following my meting with him (my union rep supported me) I went into the school office to get the laminator and the bitchy office manager and business manager said if I was so “scared” they would pass the laminator through the window.
They then told me I want allowed in an empty classroom to laminate as it was not scheduled to be used or cleaned until Monday.
I told them I would wipe down everything I touched in the classroom.
On return to the office with the laminator, the office manager literally threw the wet wipes at me and told me to wipe the laminator down. I told her I already had, and she replied, “yes, but you had to carry it down the corridor.”
This was uncalled for and since it happened right after my risk assessment meeting (the business manager took notes,) I feel the conversation i had in the meeting room has been discussed with the office manager, therefore breaking confidentiality.

I have used the laminator previously and was not asked to clean it, nor are any of my colleagues. We are all touching photo copiers and door handles constantly, and we all must remember to clean out hands as much as possible. It’s impossible to keep ‘clean’ 100%.

I’m extremely anxious and feel I’m the only one who cares, other than my union members and rep.

I mentioned what the office staff had said to my friend/colleague (who is also my union rep.)

She immediately said that was a union matter and low level bullying which could escalate. I gave her a full and detailed account of what was said and how I felt and she emailed my head on my behalf and as union rep.

He won’t accept the email unless I have an informal conversation as per the grievance policy. I told him I was not going to discuss it informally without my union rep. He won’t do it and said if I want it resolving it must be done as per the grievance policy.

Due to my fragile state, anxiety and stress, I do not want to have to go over things again and again. My blood sugars are all over the place, every say I go to work and something else happens.

Sadly, I don’t have the “fight” in me to peruse this grievance informally so the office staff have “won”.
This is not me, I fight for my rights.....

I just want peace.

****** hell, I can’t believe how much I’ve written...... if nobody reads it I can wholeheartedly understand. It’s get it off my chest so I suppose it’s been of benefit.

I want to see my GP and attempt to be signed off for anxiety. I feel physically sick, I can feel my heart beating in my throat, I’m shaky and can’t sleep, focus or smile. I’m so disengaged.

Happy weekend.....

Hi Picci, you are doing WELL and although it's very stressful, stick to your guns. As well as referring to type 1 in any conversation, keep mentioning you have a disability under the Disability Act, they cannot ignore that. I'm not usually one for thinking of type 1 in those terms but at the moment it's about stressing to people that you are covered by strict discriminatory legislation. It angers me when others are dismissive of the extra risk to you by being sarcastic and pretending to be over the top about cleanliness just because you HAVE to be. Would they treat a person with a visual disability like that?, NO. Have they gone through a written personal risk safety assessment (where you have to establish your 'Covid age' ) and then start from there? x
 
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@Picci, we’re with you, We’re standing behind you. I am, anyway, and I’m urging you to keep going. Take a deep breath, imagine a tough old T1 granny who’s also been through the kind of bullying a workplace can impose, and wishes she hadn’t resigned but had stood her ground.
Just for the record, the bullying organisation I resigned from was investigated, the Management were asked to go and it was taken over by another group.
It sounds as though the Head is under stress too, and may well know that he should protect you: there’s a duty of care here. However, in heightened situations adrenaline will flow. Yes, it’s also the bane of we T1’s lows.
Stay calm, try to get out somewhere where you can relax with distanced or close others over the weekend?
Have you any friends amongst the rest of the staff who you can share the problem with and could make you feel less isolated?
 
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Having a WhatsApp conversation with a friend, a now retired Hospital Consultant, not a Diabetes Consultant, who we met in the 70s in West Africa.
She had a visit this week to the lab where the saliva test’s being developed. No, it won’t be ready by Christmas.
 
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I’m following this whole thread very closely.

I’m a type 1 teaching assistant in a middle school. (Years 5 to 8.)

My head fought with staff all throughout the summer about mask wearing, basically refusing point blank.
I sent numerous emails saying how much more vulnerable I am and he still said no.
In the end I asked my diabetes consultant to write to him insisting he allowed me to wear a mask.
This was still a problem for my head, he phoned saying he needed to discuss it further.
He knew in May my intention of returning to work in September, under the condition I wear a mask.
He did not carry out a risk assessment until yesterday, breaching the Union’s advice.

Then at the last minute, he said masks were optional in corridors but MUST be removed in class rooms. (Due to the government’s last minute guidelines.)
Four staff, (all in the NEU,) decided to start as we meant to go on and wore our masks on teacher training day. We did not remove them, making a point.
The head didn’t bring the matter up, we believe he realised he couldn’t do anything.
All staff move around school and the children stay in the same classroom throughout the day.
The classes are small and poorly ventilated, (old building,) all classes have 32-34 children sitting shoulder to shoulder, the teacher and a TA.
It’s very difficult to stay 2m away, I’m unable to support the children and I am following the ‘2m guidelines’ stringently.
All the other TA’s are ignoring the guidelines, they sit right next to the children and there is no social distancing between staff.
I brought this up with he head and he sent an email asking staff to remember to the 2m rule. It’s not made any difference.
He asked me what the school is doing well, I had to think of something. I told him hand sanitizer was a small bonus but it’s cancelled out by everything else.
I’m mixing with almost 300 children throughout the day, hot seating with their year group bubbles.
Following my meting with him (my union rep supported me) I went into the school office to get the laminator and the bitchy office manager and business manager said if I was so “scared” they would pass the laminator through the window.
They then told me I want allowed in an empty classroom to laminate as it was not scheduled to be used or cleaned until Monday.
I told them I would wipe down everything I touched in the classroom.
On return to the office with the laminator, the office manager literally threw the wet wipes at me and told me to wipe the laminator down. I told her I already had, and she replied, “yes, but you had to carry it down the corridor.”
This was uncalled for and since it happened right after my risk assessment meeting (the business manager took notes,) I feel the conversation i had in the meeting room has been discussed with the office manager, therefore breaking confidentiality.

I have used the laminator previously and was not asked to clean it, nor are any of my colleagues. We are all touching photo copiers and door handles constantly, and we all must remember to clean out hands as much as possible. It’s impossible to keep ‘clean’ 100%.

I’m extremely anxious and feel I’m the only one who cares, other than my union members and rep.

I mentioned what the office staff had said to my friend/colleague (who is also my union rep.)

She immediately said that was a union matter and low level bullying which could escalate. I gave her a full and detailed account of what was said and how I felt and she emailed my head on my behalf and as union rep.

He won’t accept the email unless I have an informal conversation as per the grievance policy. I told him I was not going to discuss it informally without my union rep. He won’t do it and said if I want it resolving it must be done as per the grievance policy.

Due to my fragile state, anxiety and stress, I do not want to have to go over things again and again. My blood sugars are all over the place, every say I go to work and something else happens.

Sadly, I don’t have the “fight” in me to peruse this grievance informally so the office staff have “won”.
This is not me, I fight for my rights.....

I just want peace.

****** hell, I can’t believe how much I’ve written...... if nobody reads it I can wholeheartedly understand. It’s get it off my chest so I suppose it’s been of benefit.

I want to see my GP and attempt to be signed off for anxiety. I feel physically sick, I can feel my heart beating in my throat, I’m shaky and can’t sleep, focus or smile. I’m so disengaged.

Happy weekend.....


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I havent anything to add to the other brilliant posts I just wanted to add my support. I too just want to feel at peace,I'm tired of the endless battle and constant repetition of risks.
Schools at the moment are more problematical than care homes. I've been facing a brick wall with the care home I work for for months!
Interestingly I found out yesterday that the manager has been sacked for bullying staff. That's the second manager since April!
My sick certificate runs out in a week. It will be interesting to see what happens then.!
Take care.
 
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@Picci just want to agree with what others have said. Having been bullied at work in the past, I know how hard it is. Have the weekend to consider if it would be beneficial for you to see your gp though, as it may be helpful to talk it through with them. Take care and try to enjoy your weekend. Sending hugs.
 
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@Picci As others have said I would definitely speak to your GP and also get as much advice as possible from your Union. In fact if the routes between yourself and the school have become strained then ask the Union if they would speak with your Employers directly. From what you have said I don't think you have anything to lose by doing this and I think as soon as the word "Union" is mentioned employers quite often stand to attention and and start listening. Personally I think that's the route to go down but speak with your Union as that's what they are there for and it's what you pay a membership fee for!

In the meantime I would provide your own PPE if possible and protect yourself as much as possible, certainly if they aren't going to help in any way. Whilst the bar is set low for schools with regard to risk assessments the school cannot stop you from helping yourself to be safe. Again I don't know the full in and outs but speak with your Union.

I know what you are going through. It's tough indeed but I think it's just a case of saying "right if they aren't going to protect me then I will." They have a duty of care and again the Union will be able to advise.

There is a lot of either naivety, stupidity or arrogance in schools. As good as they have been to an extent to me I was still quite surprised when during my conversation with the Head the other day he asked me where the statistics showed that diabetics were at higher risk with regard to Covid? I just replied that there were too many studies to mention and to Google it!! They are so ridged in following the Governments flawed advice the can't seem to think for themselves and if Boris tells them to jump they will just ask how high! Sadly until a staff member or child become seriously unwell this won't change so until we are protected better by someone with a brain then we have to try and protect ourselves as much as possible.