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Goonergal

Goonergal

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Do you have a link to the original study please, @porl69

Difficult to form a sensible opinion from an article that begins with an unsubstantiated/unreferenced opinion: ‘It is already known that intake of red and processed meat heightens the risk of being diagnosed with bowel cancer’ and continues in the same vein.
 
lucylocket61

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However, it was mainly meat-eaters who were overweight or obese who were running these risks, it emerged during the study. Most of the increased risks of disease identified were reduced once participants’ body mass index was taken into account.

“Differences in BMI across the categories of meat consumption appear to account for a substantial part of the increased risks,” the article in BMC Medicine says.
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from the article. Seems to indicate that it wasnt the consumption of meat which was the problem, it was obesity. Another article pushing the 'meat is bad' agenda, manipulating studies.

Maybe they are suggesting that eating fat makes you fat?
 
bulkbiker

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More associational nonsense..

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29 questions on diet yet they feel comfortable drawing any conclusions even the rubbish Harvard food frequency questionnaires had about 130 questions about food consumption and those have been shown to be rubbish too. No amounts included either by the looks of it.
Pro vegan propaganda
 
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I can see several issues with the analysis apart from the fact that the obvious result of the study was the correlation (not link!) with obesity. This is pointed out yet glossed over in the results and conclusions:
"Role of BMI
In the present study, most of the positive associations between meat consumption and health risks were substantially attenuated after adjusting for BMI, suggesting that BMI was a strong confounder or possible mediator for many of the meat and disease associations. BMI is an important risk factor for many of the diseases examined (e.g. diabetes [7]). BMI was highest in participants who consumed meat most frequently, and some previous studies have found that high meat consumption is associated with weight gain [56, 57], but it is unclear whether this indicates any specific impact of meat or an association in these populations of high meat intakes with high total energy intakes. The associations of meat with disease risk reported here which remain after adjustment for BMI might still be due to higher adiposity, because BMI is not a perfect measure of this characteristic; we observed similar effects when adjusting for waist circumference (results not shown), but, as with BMI, waist circumference is not a perfect measure of adiposity and there could still be residual confounding."

For example cereal fibre intake was 'measured' by calculating bread and breakfast cereal (only standard types) and on that measure I would score just over zero or zero yet I have a high fibre intake - mainly from flaxseed. There is a difference between eating organic bacon and other bacon yet they are both classed as processed meat. And even t2 diabetes has a significant inheritable factor as well as triggers such as previous steroids and statin use.
 
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