Hi from a newcomer

AstroDaz

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Darren from Bedford, newly diagnosed with Type 2, although suspect I have had it for a while (3 years?)

Started on Metformin a couple of weeks ago, and have just been described another drug (a statin?) which I think was for cholesterol...

So much info to take in, I shall be asking lots of noobie questions!!!

Current weight is 105Kg, have just joined a gym, and dusted off my bike with a view to trimming off a good few Kgs!!!

This morning's reading was 14.9 :cry:
 

xyzzy

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Hello Darren and welcome to the forum.

You've arrived at the best place! Thought I'd let you know what I did...

I was diagnosed just over 6 months ago and using the advice I found on this site I got my blood sugar levels back to normal within around 8 weeks and I have also normalised my cholesterol levels and blood pressure as well. I have now lost over 20kg in weight too and 10" off my waist measurement. Not a cure as I have to be very careful what I eat but I'm feeling loads better now I'm back in control. My doctor is very pleased how I am getting on and has advised me to keep doing exactly what I have been doing since it's obviously working really well.

Diet wise its really easy. Just drastically cut down or better cut out all things with plain sugar, so biscuits, cakes, sugar in tea and coffee, pure fruit juices, non diet versions of soft drinks. Next and really importantly try halving starchy foods like rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, cereals and any other flour based products. Replace what's now missing with extra meat, fish, eggs, cheese and especially vegetables. Vegetables that grow above ground are best although most of us find carrots fine. Things like yoghurt are fine as is a small amount of fresh fruit. I find the ones that end in "berry" are the best. If you don't mind artificial sweeteners things like Diet Coke are fine to drink. On the starchy foods that are left swap try brown basmati rice instead of white and brown or tri-colour pasta. The bread that most recommend is actually Bergen soya bread but some do ok with wholemeal as well.

The above diet is close to one you would be one recommended to try by the Swedish Health service. It was introduced in that country last year and the American health service and several other countries health services recommend something very similar for Type 2 diabetics. In the UK the diet guidelines are now over 30 years old and are only gradually being updated. As the UK is lagging behind you may find what I and other forum members recommend will be different to what your are told is a good diet for you follow.

I see you are already measuring your blood levels which is great as most forum members would recommend doing that. If your doctor prescribed the meter and strips you are one of the lucky ones as many of us have to self finance testing. It's a bit of a post code lottery and we find some progressive surgeries are pro testing and others anti. I'll warn you the anti ones can sometimes be very vocally anti!

The reason testing is important is you should try and keep your blood sugars below 8ish two hours after eating any meal. Above the 8 value is where the dangers of complications do begin to occur according to diabetic experts. So if you can't test how will you now if what you are eating is keeping you safe? The problem is every diabetic is different so my earlier advice to halve starchy foods is just a rough guide. You may find you need to eat less than half (like me) or that you can eat more than half like others.

As you get into it all and read around the forum you may see people talking about carb counting. If you want to understand what that is just ask. It is a powerful weapon that a diabetic can use to control their condition and one that many of us use to great effect.

Good luck and keep asking questions.

PS Here's three good links about what's good to eat.

First is the lady doctor who's low carb / low GI recommendations seem to form the basis of what's recommended in Sweden

http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in

Second is a good beginners guide to low carb regimes that are excellent for reducing blood sugar levels and losing weight.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

There are also loads of brilliant recipes on the forum. You can find them here http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=4871.

Good luck and keep asking questions.
 

daisy1

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Hi Darren and welcome to the forum :)
Here is some information to help you get started, which we give to new members. Ask as many questions as you need to as there is always someone here to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS


Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 

AstroDaz

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Wow!! Thank you both for all of that!!
Plenty of bedtime reading!!

I didn't realise there was such an issue with getting testing strips on prescription - I will certainly make a point of asking my doctor about it....
 

dawnmc

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I would also google statins and the effects if you want to make an informed decision anout your health.
 

AstroDaz

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Hi Dawn, yes, I most certainly will!

@lauraax - thank you! :)


I had my second session at the gym on Monday evening - about an hour after I finished, my reading was 7.9 and the following mornings reading was 11.4!

Whoo-hoo! More salad and exercise :D
 

daisy3174

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Hi Darren and welcome, you have come to the best possible place!Looks like you have already made steps in the right direction, well done :D x
 

xyzzy

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Darren you'll find your morning readings will likely always be high for a while because of something called the Dawn Phenomenon (DP).

In the early hours everyone's liver "helpfully" dumps a load of glucose into our blood streams ready for the energy requirements of the new day. In non diabetics its not a problem as their insulin response will mop up any excess pretty quickly. In diabetics either a poor insulin response or for T2's insulin resistance means the glucose hangs around a lot longer.

If you get your diet sorted (most here will say low carb) then over a period of WEEKS you will gradually see the DP effect reduce but even 6 months down the line my highest reading is always the first thing in the morning one. It will reduce if you lose weight as your insulin resistance will lessen but low carbing, that effectively gives you pancreas a much needed holiday, also seems to gradually help.

There are various thoughts on how to quickly lower the high DP effect level. What I found was actually causing a small controlled spike in BG's seemed to kick start my systems into working so I specifically ate (and still do) some plain yoghurt with around 25g of "berries" in it. The sugar in the fruit gives you the kick and in me reduced my levels within an hour. The other way I found was really helpful was after breakfast to just do a brisk 5 or 10 minute walk around the streets.
 

Terminator 2

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Howdy Darren :wave:

Its early days, don't get hung up on that reading, your in the right place for the knowledge to drive your readings lower, its only a matter of time now :thumbup: