Metformin

Alan22

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Hi,

Does anyone have information on Metformin?

Also, does any one have any ideas on this:

I went to my GPs yesterday and saw the Nurse Practitioner for the first time. And straight away she told me i had to start taking Metformin due to my reading of 8.5% on my last Hba1c. I'm Type 2 and have had 2 Hba1c tests and have both been 8.5%.

I was shocked to hear this as the Doctor i have been seeing told me to book an appointment in November for another Hba1c and also make an appointment to see him too discuss the results. This left me confused as the doctor has never mentioned medication, but i see the Nurse practitioner for the 1st time she places me on medication

Does anyone have any ideas or has this happened to any one?

Any information would be welcomed
 

Mushroom

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Hi, reading the Forums, there often seems to be a mis-match between the doctor's advice and Diabetes nurses. The nurses are left to treat diabetes. My own doctor, when asked a few things about metformin and effect on blood sugars, said I should refer my questions to the nurse as she was 'the specialist'. Metformin is the first drug given if your Hb is 7 or over (diabetic diagnosis) so that bit is not surprising. There is plenty of information on Metformin on the web and on this site. Advantages mean it doesn't cause very low BGs (hypos) and some people think it has cardiac protection but I personally find the 'evidence' is rather vague. There have been some research to indicate protection from certain cancers. I choose not to take it as I would rather low carb and I am dieting. It was offered to me with the incentive that it would help me to lose weight but doing well without at present. My reason would be that I would want to avoid urgent trips to the toilet and a horrible taste in my mouth which are all possible side effects. It won't bring you blood sugars down very far (apparently 1-2 ) unless you are also careful with your carb food intake. At least my DSN did prescribe a slow release version but at the moment I choose not to take it. This is my personal opinion and I have not used it. However, You will find lots of people on here with more experience of it than me and who take it with no problems. Any other questions, please ask.
 

Alan22

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Thanks Mushroom,

I am currently controlling my diabetes with diet and exercise. I have lost 11 pounds in 7 weeks. My dietitian told me i have to eat starchy carbs with every meal. What do you mean by low carb dieting? Does this mean you dont eat carbs? I have read on this forum (i think) that people shouldn't eat carbs.
 

paragliderpete

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Hi.welcome to the forum, Daisy should be along soon and will give you loads of useful information
With regards to Metformin there are two types standard and slow release, they both do the same thing , which is to lower your insulin resistance .This will allow the insulin that your body is still producing to be more effective and thus help lower your blood sugars . Its important that you start to take the medication slowly, say half a tablet every other day to start, and build it up to the full dose over a period of 3 to 4 weeks. This will help to minimise any stomach upsets, which are a common side effect when you first start taking the drug. Its the primary drug for diabetics, and most will be given it as thier first medication, its also acknowledged to be safe.

The reason that your DSN put you onto medication is that your two HBA1C results have been high, they would have looked at your results alongside a standard algorithm, which would prescibe intervention with an HBA1C anything above 6.5%.

I'm not sure how much you understand about the role diet plays in controling your diabetes, but you will find that about 20% of the control will come from medication the rest will be by diet, and to this end it will be the restriction of carbohydrate that will bring down your blood sugar levels . Unfortunately you will find this to be at odds with your GP or NURSE who will set out the standrad NHS guidlines. I'm sure you will quickly realise that you are going to have to get a meter and start self testing. Its the only way, and as you gain more information and knowledge, you will bring your condition under control.
Keep posting and reading on the forum, you will quickly learn what you need. There is no such thing as a daft question. We all started where you are. Best of luck
 

Mushroom

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Hi again Alan. You are doing well with the weight loss. Keep at it.
Yes, I have crossed over to the 'dark side' regarding NHS recommendations for eating starchy foods. I started dieting the day after my diagnosis and started to look at low GI starchy foods and then found this website and felt low carbing would suit me. I used to eat a lot of potatoes, rice, bread - more so than sugary foods. I just didn't feel well after over-eating but was stuck. So, I thought complete abstinence from bread etc was the only way I could keep my sugars low and lose the weight. I really don't miss them. My husband has never been keen on bread etc so we now eat the way he likes. Probably why he's thin! I love juicy steaks and I have always like crunchy raw vegetables. I get hungry but so what! I just ignore it now. I didn't think my Hb was high at 7.1 so thought my now 50 - 90g of carb a day would get me lower than my current 6.0 but obviously my pancreas is not very efficient. Check out the 'Low Carb' forum and recipes. You cannot eat too much protein as that can cause problems so calories have to be made up with fat. Excellent!
 

Mushroom

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And my carbs come from 'hidden' starches - the sugar in yogurt and onions, the starch in vegetables. You can't avoid it completely. The one 'obvious' carby food I still have is 'Special K' cereal but that is once a fortnight with seeds and nuts.
 

daisy1

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Hi Alan and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 

Mongoose39uk

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Don't be frightened of Metformin, for most myself included the side effects are minimal or none existent.

If you can get your BG down without it all well and good. Maybe even take it to help get it down and then review your need with the nurse or a GP. Also don't be surprised if a nurse has more specialised knowledge.
 

Cowboyjim

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Welcome to the ranks!

Metformin was prescribed to me as a standard tablet with meals a few times a day, it is no big deal but it can upset your stomach for a bit. The slow release is a bit better but the other one is cheaper I suspect...

It is only subjective perhaps but I reckon taking it affects my appetite and some foods I cannot stand any more... maybe this is an incidental effect to wean you off carbs such as pasta spuds and rice let alone bread...

Diet advice from most NHS types is controversial and I choose to ignore them. This forum is the place to discover how to control your diabetes... oh and ask them for a meter and some strips... and sit back and watch the fun enter round two...

All the best to you, keep reading this forum, it might save you a lot of heartache, it did the trick for me! 8)
 

Defren

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Metformin is a safe drug, I take 500mg morning and night. It does effect some tummies, and can be quite nasty, if that happens, speak to your GP and ask for the slow release version. I have a cast iron stomach I think, the bog standard ones are fine for me. People have reported some odd side effects, I myself lost my appetite completely and survived on 300-400 calories for a while. I then did the Newcastle diet for eight weeks, and was absolutely fine after that. Now the Metformin doesn't effect me at all. I did read somewhere Metformin used to be prescribed as a slimming pill. I'm not sure how true that is, but I have lost over 90lbs since March, so there maybe some truth to it.
 

Cowboyjim

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...bog standard
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Some on the forum would agree with that!

A nurse, not a DN, told me she had seen non-DM patients prescribed met to help lose weight.

I think the appetite supression may not affect everyone and you cannot always disentangle the med-related effects from the psychological. After all, psychology is an important and can be an under-treated factor in chronic illness such as DM.

Mind you on one of my last appointments the nurse went through some standard questions on depression but I doubt it was connected with my DM.
 

Kimton61

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Hi mate, how are you doing today?

I was prescribed metformin about 2 months ago. Apart from feeling sick for the first couple of days,i`ve had no major side effects.It seems to be controlling my diabetes but I`m not due a review with all the blood tests etc til mid January s I will have to wiat til then to confirm whether or not the present levels are adequate.

Cheers :D
 

lavenderchild

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I have been on Metformin (slow realise) since July this year and haven't had any problems with it.. But I do take it after my meal at night. I was started on 1 and then after a couple of weeks the doctor put me on 2.

My diabetic educator was great but admittedly my doctor sat in on the consult half way through and they where both happy for me to stay on the 2 until my next visit to her in December. We are hoping to drop me back down to 1 but diabetes is so unpredictable and I am not holding my breath...

Good Luck :D
 

joanne-77

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i had this too GP wants me to try diet & exercise for 6 months repeat blood test after 3 before thinking of meds,the nurse wanted me on meds straight away but i said no.
 

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My GP put me on Metformin as soon as she gave me the diagnosis. Started with 500mg and increased to 2000mg a day over a few weeks. I've had no tummy problems or nasty taste in the mouth etc. It does suppress my appetite so I'm happy with that. I'm on LCHF diet which I got advice about from this forum and this is my other favourite website http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf

I'm not losing weight so quickly like a lot of other people on Metformin which is annoying, but I have lost about 7lb so far so I'm not complaining as long as it is coming off.