Type 2's: What was your fasting blood glucose in a morning?

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Being a type 2, and not taking it too seriously, I was properly told off by the GP on Wed, so started the low carb regime. This mornings reading was the lowest ever, at 8.2 and currently down to 6.7. Feel a bit light headed, but I expect thats just my body adjusting. Looking forward to getting down to the 5's soon :D
 

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My fasting tends to be between 5.5 and 6.6 - don't test very often due to price of strips. Two weeks ago I had to have a colonoscopy and polypectomy and wasn't allowed to eat solid food for almost 40 hours before the procedure while I wa doing bowel clearance. I was only allowed clear liquids, which in my case meant black coffee, water and a vegetable bouillon during the day before and only water on the day of the procedure.
As I am T2, the nurse did a bg test with the other pre- procedure checks. The test was at 2.30pm and I had only had water since 7.30 the previous evening, so 19 hour complete fast and hardly anything the previous day. My level was 7.7, which was a lot higher than I expected. The nurse didn't seem unduly worried, nor did my Diabetes Nurse when I saw her for regular check earlier this week. Normally if I test 3 - 4 hours after a meal I'm lower than 7.5.
Has anyone experienced similar results after what I would describe as a super-fast?
 

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Can someone post a link to Viv's Modified Atkins Diet please?
 

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ll1000 said:
My fasting tends to be between 5.5 and 6.6 - don't test very often due to price of strips. Two weeks ago I had to have a colonoscopy and polypectomy and wasn't allowed to eat solid food for almost 40 hours before the procedure while I wa doing bowel clearance. I was only allowed clear liquids, which in my case meant black coffee, water and a vegetable bouillon during the day before and only water on the day of the procedure.
As I am T2, the nurse did a bg test with the other pre- procedure checks. The test was at 2.30pm and I had only had water since 7.30 the previous evening, so 19 hour complete fast and hardly anything the previous day. My level was 7.7, which was a lot higher than I expected. The nurse didn't seem unduly worried, nor did my Diabetes Nurse when I saw her for regular check earlier this week. Normally if I test 3 - 4 hours after a meal I'm lower than 7.5.
Has anyone experienced similar results after what I would describe as a super-fast?

Your liver stores glucose as glycogen, and releases this if you go too low. After a long fast like that I would suggest that your liver was pushing out the glycogen as glucose to keep you going. As I said elsewhere, I'm sure most nurses work on Type 1 levels and this would be nothing out of the ordinary for a Type 1. Don't worry, you'll soon get back in control when you're allowed to eat again! :D

In Exile, my diet is a Sticky Thread on the Low Carb bit of the forum. Being a techno-wimp, I'm afraid I don't know how to post you the link :oops:

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Hi In Exile :)
Here is the link to Viv's excellent diet.

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5.1 today. Probably the bacon sandwich! :wink:

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8.5 this morning but I have been naughty. I don't know why, but I set eyes on an egg custard tart in Tesco and decided I'd have one. Of course they're packed in two's so I ate two, but on consecutive days, not on the same day. It's still showing in my FBG two days later but I feel fine.

I don't normally eat bread but since I've been back at work and time is of the essence, sandwiches are quicker to make and quicker to eat in the half hour lunch break than fiddling around with crackers. I can't pre-spread crackers cos they go soggy. So today, I found a gluten and wheat free bread from Warburton's at 11g a small slice. So I'll try that out this week and see how I go.

Had a nice chat with a man who was buying from the 'Free From' aisle at ASDA. He saw me searching for stuff and said "Are you a bit queer too?" I said "No, I'm straight but I have a problem with gluten, wheat and carbs." He let out a very loud laugh and we had a brief chat about our ailments and parted company.

I've also sent off for some Gymena Sylvestre, I haven't tried that yet but it has good reviews on here so I'll give it a go. :D
 

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Mine seem to consistently be 7.5 or so before breakfast. All my two hour post eating readings are rather better (usually six point something, occasionally a high five. Have never had a four yet, that's to aim for!)


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ll1000 said:
The test was at 2.30pm and I had only had water since 7.30 the previous evening, so 19 hour complete fast and hardly anything the previous day. My level was 7.7, which was a lot higher than I expected. The nurse didn't seem unduly worried, nor did my Diabetes Nurse when I saw her for regular check earlier this week. Normally if I test 3 - 4 hours after a meal I'm lower than 7.5.
Has anyone experienced similar results after what I would describe as a super-fast?

Yes, it is not unusual. Your blood doesn't store glucose like petrol in a tank dropping lower and lower as you use it. Your liver does it for you by producing it from fat stores. If it thinks you are going short, it tops you up. It doesn't however carefully measure what you need and measure what it gives you. It adopts a bit of a blunt approach and just chucks a bucket load into your blood for you to be getting on with. Your pancreas is supposed to spring to life and produce insulin to mop up any excess and make sure the level is correct.
 

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Yorksman said:
ll1000 said:
The test was at 2.30pm and I had only had water since 7.30 the previous evening, so 19 hour complete fast and hardly anything the previous day. My level was 7.7, which was a lot higher than I expected. The nurse didn't seem unduly worried, nor did my Diabetes Nurse when I saw her for regular check earlier this week. Normally if I test 3 - 4 hours after a meal I'm lower than 7.5.
Has anyone experienced similar results after what I would describe as a super-fast?

Yes, it is not unusual. Your blood doesn't store glucose like petrol in a tank dropping lower and lower as you use it. Your liver does it for you by producing it from fat stores. If it thinks you are going short, it tops you up. It doesn't however carefully measure what you need and measure what it gives you. It adopts a bit of a blunt approach and just chucks a bucket load into your blood for you to be getting on with. Your pancreas is supposed to spring to life and produce insulin to mop up any excess and make sure the level is correct.

That's such a cool explanation of dawn phenomenon! But, the thing is, is there anything we can do about it? I tend to just not test in the morning cos I know it will be high, but ignoring it doesn't mean it isn't there, affecting my health and affecting my HbA1C.


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Hi Finzi,

I used to wonder about this but then I realised I didn't really understand the significance of the results of a fasting test.
My understanding from what little reading I have done is that the dawn phenomena is already factored in. A healthy person experiences it just as much as a type 2 diabetic. The difference is that the healthy person responds better to the insulin whereas the type 2 doesn't respond as well.

If you measured both at say 4am, they both may have a reading of say, 5.5 depending on what they ate during the evening. If you then measure them at 9am, the healthy person has had their extra liver produced glycogen but the insulin response brought it down quickly again so they may be 5.5 again. The type 2 is taking longer to deal with it, so it might be 6.7. If your early morning is within the range of 6.0 to 7.7mmol/L, you are said to have 'impaired glucose tolerance'. Above 7.7 is an indication of possible diabetes. There are several possible causes for things not working as they should, you may not be producing enough insulin or you may be producing it but it is not working effectively. These results tell you no more than something isn't right.

Recently, I have noticed that 2 hour after meal reading is sometimes the same as my pre meal reading. This would be the case even when I ate foods with some sugars in eg. a banana and a chocolate. To find the spike, I had to measure at one hour and, sure enough it was there, a 9.0. After another 15 min however I was down to 7.9; after 30 mins, 7.2 and after 50 mins 6.4. A healthy person would get the same spike but might be back down to the pre snack level within ten to twenty minutes. I, as a type 2, take longer, which is why my 3 month average HBA1c is higher than a healthy person.

It looks as if I am starting to respond better to the insulin my pancreas is producing. The reason is probably because I am losing weight and doing exercise. This sort of statement is often seen in scientific studies: "weight loss via diet-only or a diet + exercise program clearly improves insulin sensitivity", though they don't really know why.

I have noticed that I am getting 5.8 - 6.2 early morning whereas last week it was 6.4 - 6.8 and three weeks ago it was including many in the 7s. So, it looks like the improvement in my insulin sensitivity is due to diet and exercise, coupled with watching the carbs. It's by no means fully working, but I do still have a lot of weight to lose and am in reality terribly unfit, but the trends look promising. The best thing is that I am not tempted to go out and buy a take away curry with all the trimmings, after having had a few pints of real ale and a few packets of crisps to keep me going. Well, that'll save me the best part of twenty quid so there is a plus side to it.
 

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A big 6.0 for me this morning.

Dont know why. I average around 5.3 and I am surprised at the number as I havent indulged in anything yesterday other than an egg and chicken & veg. I wanst feeling too good today, so maybe that is the cause....hopefully!
 

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I really like your explanations, Yorksman.

I am also plagued by the dawn phenomenon: it seems really unfair that my liver messes up all the good work I do with diet and exercise! I even found that, if I delayed breakfast, my BG would just keep on rising, so now I have a really low carb breakfast (boiled egg & low carb sausage from my ready-cooked fridge stock; total less than 2g carbs) within an hour of getting up, and that helps to stop the DP in its tracks.

I have also found that I can do a bit of prevention by imbibing the odd glass of red wine late in the evening; most of the time this gives me a lower fasting BG the next day than I would otherwise have expected. There are some perks!


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Mine was 4.9 this morning, and that was after a handful of peanut m+ms last night

1thing I have started to do is put a tablespoon of cinnamon on my porridge in the mornings, that and the diet seem to be having a big impact on my sugar levels

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13.9 this morning fasting can't get a usual 5.0 since pancreatitis two weeks ago. Can't get gp appointment either. Sugars between9.9 and 20.9 for over a week


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Sketcher said:
I have also found that I can do a bit of prevention by imbibing the odd glass of red wine late in the evening; most of the time this gives me a lower fasting BG the next day than I would otherwise have expected. There are some perks!

LOL, I haven't tried that but I am starting to have lemon drinks at the end of every meal. It's just the juice of half a lemon in a glass of diet zero cal, zero carb supermarket lemonade, which I keep in the fridge. Acids like lemon or vinegar lower the sugar somewhat. Lots of claims are made but I don't worry about them, it's a nice tangy refreshing drink and tastes better than any of those expensive gourmet 'hand made' lemonades that you can buy.
 

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T2 on insulin & obviously not normal!!! If my fasting bs is less than 6 I know i'm in for a Very Slow start as I feel so sluggish. However I Was advised by specialist that every diabetic has their own levels and comfort zones and as long as your bs levels are reasonably constant dont worry unnecessarily that you dont conform to the expected norms. Yes to be 4/5/6 all day would to a lot of people seem correct but to others they operate better a little higher ... For Me @ 8/9/10 I seem to do OK much lower & I grind to a halt & @ 4 I fall over. I have to be >9 before bed otherwise problems can happen thro the night.

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Got my lowest reading yet this morning of 4.4. Seems a bit of a big jump downwards though after a week of 4.9s and 4.7s.
 

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Forgot to test first thing, but am 4.9 now, just before lunch.

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