Arrested for drunk and disorderly

[ericthwaite]

If your levels were 21... Why would you need dextrose?

my thoughts precisely

 

[s10vsb]

I'm not disputing my arrest for drunk and disorderley, I hold my hands up as being guilty as charged and paid my £80 fine. I'm not saying that just because you're diabetic you should be allowed to get off with any crime you've committed either. What I am saying is that if you put a diabetic in a cell, it should be the law that every station has a blood sugar monitor and check every diabetic before they are put into custody. I had it drummed into me when I was first diagnosed that I had to take my dextrose EVERYWHERE with me, I never leave my house without it, if I don't have pockets, it's in my bag....My complaint to the police has been taken seriously by them. I have an appointment arranged with the Police. And for all of you have posted 'snide' comments my G.P. and A and E agree I should compain....The next time any of you have your diabetic review, ask the specialist how you should be treated by the police should you ever be put in custody.

 

[s10vsb]

Also, I NEVER used diabetes as an excuse for my arrest. I only turned into a "woman possessed" when I realized I didn't have my dextrose and had no idea what my blood sugar was.

 

[Elc1112]

Hi,

Have you spoken to your DSN about your Lantus? It shouldn't be bringing your sugars crashing down like that. If it is then it would suggest you are taking too much. Might be worth talking to them about splitting the dose? I am on Levemir. It really doesn't have much affect on my levels - apart from keeping them stable the next day.

Also, you mention that you struggle to recognise highs until you have ketones. I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you get a lot of highs? If so it may explain why you no longer recognise the symptoms. I tend to feel unwell once mine reach double figures. Again, it might be something to discuss with your DSN.

Em

 

[Sid Bonkers]

II have an appointment arranged with the Police. And for all of you have posted 'snide' comments my G.P. and A and E agree I should compain....

I think you would do better to cancel your appointment with the Police and arrange one with a good SDN or Endo who can explain the difference between Hypo and Hyper and which one to treat with dextrose!!

You should be thanking the police for looking after your safety and well being and NOT giving you dextrose.

 

[scottish-jim]

Well said Sid - totally agree :thumbup:

 

[martwolves]

Sir Sidney,

Thank you! You are not bonkers or even conkers! If you rearrange the moniker, it could be considered to be a Snidey comment, but I back you up on this 100%! Don't drink too much and stuff your face EVER, insulin with you or not! Who the hell said when high, take glucose. Forget the police and see your diabetic care team, NOW!

 

[weeezer]

To be fair, the OP knows the difference between high & low blood glucose levels, they didn't know what their bgl was, hence the need for dextrose, 'in case'. They should have been allowed to test, then everyone would've known what the situation was. It was only when the dr turned up, hours later @430am, that bgl was tested and was 21.


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[izzzi]

Also, I NEVER used diabetes as an excuse for my arrest. I only turned into a "woman possessed" when I realized I didn't have my dextrose and had no idea what my blood sugar was.

Because you stated that you were drunk. How can anyone establish what actually happened.
I am not in any way disagreeing with what you recommend.

You may only had a drink in moderation,but you gave me the impression that you were totally away with the fairy's, and that is my reason for being so called harsh on a "drunk".

Anyway what is abnormal about being a "woman possessed"
Please do not take offence as we are not judges, just your everyday diabetic.

Roy

 

[Sid Bonkers]

Sorry but to my mind the police did everything they could have done to protect this person they called a doctor and went to their house to collect their insulin, which they then refused, they then took the person to A & E. At no time did the OP write of any hypo symptoms.

This wasnt the case of someone hypo and non responsive found collapsed and thought to be drunk, this was someone who was so drunk they argued with the police to the point were they were arrested, this is not easy and takes some persistence, when the police tell someone to go home they would much rather they did just that than stay and argue and cause them paper work and agro, and then after being arrested they continued to "kick off" in the cells. These are not hypo symptoms!!

A total waste of police and NHS time and money as far as I can see.

 

[donnellysdogs]

Agree totally with Sid.

 

[Embabe25]

Sorry but to my mind the police did everything they could have done to protect this person they called a doctor and went to their house to collect their insulin, which they then refused, they then took the person to A & E. At no time did the OP write of any hypo symptoms.

This wasnt the case of someone hypo and non responsive found collapsed and thought to be drunk, this was someone who was so drunk they argued with the police to the point were they were arrested, this is not easy and takes some persistence, when the police tell someone to go home they would much rather they did just that than stay and argue and cause them paper work and agro, and then after being arrested they continued to "kick off" in the cells. These are not hypo symptoms!!

A total waste of police and NHS time and money as far as I can see.

FACT!


Em x

 

[AMBrennan]

Sorry but to my mind the police did everything they could have done

So, you don't think that testing or having her test her BG when she was arrested rather than waiting (possibly hours?) for the doctor to arrive could not possibly have helped - either to spot a hypo or allay her fears?

These are not hypo symptoms!!1eleven

Strangely the NHS disagrees with you.

Signs of more severe hypoglycaemia include:
difficulty concentrating
confusion
disorderly or irrational behaviour, which may be mistaken for drunkenness

You should be thanking the police for looking after your safety and well being and NOT giving you dextrose

Refusing hypo treatments without first excluding a hypo is not "looking after your safety" but negligent. It might not have done any harm this time but what if they do the same to someone who is actually hypoglycemic?

On an unrelated note, is there any conflict of interest you might want to declare? Because you seem very determined (e.g. lying about hypo symptoms) to discourage her from making a complaint despite her GP's and Hospital A&E's (alleged) recommendation... roblem:

 

[martwolves]

I hope you have learned from this.

 

[andywright]

Sorry but to my mind the police did everything they could have done to protect this person they called a doctor and went to their house to collect their insulin, which they then refused, they then took the person to A & E. At no time did the OP write of any hypo symptoms.

This wasnt the case of someone hypo and non responsive found collapsed and thought to be drunk, this was someone who was so drunk they argued with the police to the point were they were arrested, this is not easy and takes some persistence, when the police tell someone to go home they would much rather they did just that than stay and argue and cause them paper work and agro, and then after being arrested they continued to "kick off" in the cells. These are not hypo symptoms!!

A total waste of police and NHS time and money as far as I can see.

Sorry my friend but to be fair aggression and being argumentative can actually be signs of a hypo although from what I think I have read this was not the case on this occasion

 

[Robinredbreast]

Sorry but to my mind the police did everything they could have done to protect this person they called a doctor and went to their house to collect their insulin, which they then refused, they then took the person to A & E. At no time did the OP write of any hypo symptoms.

This wasnt the case of someone hypo and non responsive found collapsed and thought to be drunk, this was someone who was so drunk they argued with the police to the point were they were arrested, this is not easy and takes some persistence, when the police tell someone to go home they would much rather they did just that than stay and argue and cause them paper work and agro, and then after being arrested they continued to "kick off" in the cells. These are not hypo symptoms!!

A total waste of police and NHS time and money as far as I can see.

Sorry my friend but to be fair aggression and being argumentative can actually be signs of a hypo although from what I think I have read this was not the case on this occasion

Totally agree with you andywright. Hypo symptoms come in many shapes and forms and aggression is definitely one of them.

I read a lot and one book I read, regarding a medical person, stated that a diabetic man had to restrained because of extreme aggression and this man is not normally an aggressive person. I had a horrible hypo in a supermarket, after work, with my child there a few years ago and I was confused, frightened and ended up on the floor, knees up to my chest, crying because I thought something was going on and I was so so scared, shop called the Paramedics and shop then gave me some lucazade, but I have never been aggressive.

People do make stupid mistakes. Once is a mistake and twice, a habit. I'm sure the OP has learned a good lesson here and will ,no doubt, remember it forever.

Best wishes RRB

 

[s10vsb]

To be fair, the OP knows the difference between high & low blood glucose levels, they didn't know what their bgl was, hence the need for dextrose, 'in case'. They should have been allowed to test, then everyone would've known what the situation was. It was only when the dr turned up, hours later @430am, that bgl was tested and was 21.


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That's my point....I want it to be the law that if you're arrested, they test your blood sugar as soon as they take you into custody. They should have a graph on the wall..like a BMI graph...under 4 low, 4-10 ok 10-15 high 16-21 very high, over 21 medical attention needed. They should have dextrose and the pen to bring you back from a potential hypo/coma.

 

[s10vsb]

Hi,

Have you spoken to your DSN about your Lantus? It shouldn't be bringing your sugars crashing down like that. If it is then it would suggest you are taking too much. Might be worth talking to them about splitting the dose? I am on Levemir. It really doesn't have much affect on my levels - apart from keeping them stable the next day.

Also, you mention that you struggle to recognise highs until you have ketones. I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you get a lot of highs? If so it may explain why you no longer recognise the symptoms. I tend to feel unwell once mine reach double figures. Again, it might be something to discuss with your DSN.

Em

I was told about a month ago to increase my dose of lantus from 18 to 20 cos my sugars normally about 6 when I get up in the morning... I saw a comment on here about lantus making your bs stay the same and I said how I had to take novorapid whether I ate or not cos it rises. Today, 4.7 when I got up, took 2 units of novorapid and my breakfast of a cup of coffee with 'normal' drop of milk. didn't eat at work and took no insulin and it was 16.1 at 3.30pm. I'm a waitress and do alot of running around to. I've got my next app in 2 months I've never heard of Levimir so I'll discuss the insulin I'm taking and see what changes could be made. Maybe Levimir can be the insulin for me. I've been on Lantus for the past 10 yrs which stopped LOADS of hypos in the night and I thought was the miracle drug. Maybe not!! Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated.

 

[s10vsb]

II have an appointment arranged with the Police. And for all of you have posted 'snide' comments my G.P. and A and E agree I should compain....

I think you would do better to cancel your appointment with the Police and arrange one with a good SDN or Endo who can explain the difference between Hypo and Hyper and which one to treat with dextrose!!

You should be thanking the police for looking after your safety and well being and NOT giving you dextrose.

As I've already said, I don't get symptoms for high blood sugar, only low. I didn't have any symptoms in the cell but had no idea what my bs was when they locked me up so was petrified of having a hypo. All the police need is a bs monitor to test all diabetics in custody, and that's what I'm fighting for!!!

 

[s10vsb]

II have an appointment arranged with the Police. And for all of you have posted 'snide' comments my G.P. and A and E agree I should compain....

I think you would do better to cancel your appointment with the Police and arrange one with a good SDN or Endo who can explain the difference between Hypo and Hyper and which one to treat with dextrose!!

You should be thanking the police for looking after your safety and well being and NOT giving you dextrose.

As I've already said, I don't get symptoms for high blood sugar, only low. I didn't have any symptoms in the cell but had no idea what my bs was when they locked me up so was petrified of having a hypo. I don't take sugar unless I need it, and know the symtoms of when I do but the thought of needing it and not having it is petrifying as I'm sure you'll agree. All the police need is a bs monitor to test all diabetics in custody, and that's what I'm fighting for!!!