Paleo diet article in today's sunday Telegraph

[hanadr]

I bought the paper specifically for the article and it's quite good. Lots of references to different writers, so well researched.
What struck me was that the Paleo diet is very low carb. I saw the Paleo diet cookbook in Waitrose last week and I have a birthday coming up!!!.
I'm convinced Paleo is right. Certainly it cuts out processed foods. I'm sure processed foods are not good for anyone. I'm trying to get my grandchildren off them. Unfortunately, my daughter isn't a good cook and uses quite a lot of fast foods, which i wish she wouldn't. I was a working mum in my youth and i don't think I did it much. Still it was more than nowadays.
Hana

 

[carraway]

I haven't seen that but I wanted to suggest a slow cooker for your daughter.

I love food and cooking but my neighbour cannot cook at all but when she saw me throw everything in my slow cooker one morning she was convinced she could do that too.
She bought one for herself and became a bit of a slow- cooking evangelist. She even puts jacket potatoes in there to cook now and last week she bought a second slow cooker with dividers so she could do two things at once.

Cara

 

[CollieBoy]

agree on the slow cooker thing. provided you can make it into "one-pot", your meal is ready when you get home. I have 2 pots for my slow cooker and rotate their use.

 

[Big piggy]

Would absolutely recommend the Paleo Diet book found in Waitrose. I have got it and agree 100% with its principles entirely. I am gradually introducing the food suggestions as a sudden complete alteration to my diet would be too costly. Its low carb principles are sound as far as blood sugar control is concerned. It does work. Although this does raise the age old question of who should we believe when it comes to dietary advice?

A dietician? NO

A Diabetic Specialist Nurse? NO

A GP? NO

A sufferer of Diabetes? ABSOLUTELY

The reasons for this are many. Has anyone actually ever had consistent and quality advice from any of the so called trained specialists? Personally, never,

I've seen 2 different Dieticians over a period of one month, first at the surgery, the second at the hospital. Both gave contradictory advice. Complete waste of time.

DSN...... Well that was a disaster. I knew more than she did and I'm not the trained or qualified one! A different DSN at the hospital the following month changed my medication resulting in disastrous BS levels!

GP...... Do anyone of them know what they're talking about? Only one I have seen at my surgery has ever been any good and that was a 'trainee' who was very quickly dispatched never to be seen again! Of the many, many others not one has been helpful.

Yes, we have to rely on them but please choose carefully. They don't always know what's best......

However, the Paleo eating regime does work. Give it a go.


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[noblehead]

I bought the paper specifically for the article and it's quite good. Lots of references to different writers, so well researched.
What struck me was that the Paleo diet is very low carb. I saw the Paleo diet cookbook in Waitrose last week and I have a birthday coming up!!!.
I'm convinced Paleo is right. Certainly it cuts out processed foods. I'm sure processed foods are not good for anyone. I'm trying to get my grandchildren off them. Unfortunately, my daughter isn't a good cook and uses quite a lot of fast foods, which i wish she wouldn't. I was a working mum in my youth and i don't think I did it much. Still it was more than nowadays.
Hana

You should buy your daughter some cook books or enrol her on some night classes in cookery. Avoiding processed foods is extremely difficult but fast food isn't healthy and far better to cook from scratch.

 

[hanadr]

I would add SOME diabetes consultants and hospital nurses to your list. I meet all kinds of people in my campaigning life and was lold last year by a diabetes consultant that a 5% dextrose drip was a good thing for rehydrating a diabetic. This was my mother's first hospital stay last autumn. I wasn't at all surprised when her BG went up out of her normal [acceptable] range. Then the nurse who checked it told me it wasn't high Well it probably wasn't but it WAS over 8, BEFORE LUNCH! I told the nurse it was outside NICE guidelines and she was surprised. Was she surprised I knew them or surprised because she didn't???

 

[hanadr]

You should buy your daughter some cook books or enrol her on some night classes in cookery. Avoiding processed foods is extremely difficult but fast food isn't healthy and far better to cook from scratch.

Night classes are a NO No. she wouldn't go and would claim she doesn't have time. She has cook books AND a slow cooker and she has me. I can cook.
She's a senior primary school teacher and very busy with full time work and a husband and 2 small children.
She's also herself the most fussy eater you will ever meet. I tried from day 1 of her life to feed her good food, but she resisted. Even to the extent of going without food for days if I put something on her plate she didn't want. Unsurprisingly, her children are not much better. At least my grandson does like to make pizza with me, from Pitta bread,tomato puree and grated cheese.
Hana

 

[noblehead]

I'm sure that the case for many who's parents didn't cook much or were fussy eaters and it's past down from generation to generation.......a great pity IMHO. I don't find cooking a chore and quite enjoy it, by cooking your own food you can decide what and what not to put in.

 

[JustDomUK]

...Although this does raise the age old question of who should we believe when it comes to dietary advice?

A dietician? NO

A Diabetic Specialist Nurse? NO

A GP? NO

A sufferer of Diabetes? ABSOLUTELY

The reasons for this are many. Has anyone actually ever had consistent and quality advice from any of the so called trained specialists? Personally, never,

I've seen 2 different Dieticians over a period of one month, first at the surgery, the second at the hospital. Both gave contradictory advice. Complete waste of time.

DSN...... Well that was a disaster. I knew more than she did and I'm not the trained or qualified one! A different DSN at the hospital the following month changed my medication resulting in disastrous BS levels!

GP...... Do anyone of them know what they're talking about? Only one I have seen at my surgery has ever been any good and that was a 'trainee' who was very quickly dispatched never to be seen again! Of the many, many others not one has been helpful.

Yes, we have to rely on them but please choose carefully. They don't always know what's best......



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I have had excellent advice from my DSN, GP and diabetes specialist. I'm not sure why your own personal experience has been such a bad one. My diabetes specialist put me on the diet after I sought his advice about losing weight. He took the time to see me without an appointment and sat for an hour going over the merits of Atkins, low carb high fat and 5:2 diets. He's a keen advocate of low carb and even drew me a complex diagram to explain how insulin really works.

My DSN is especially good, she's helped me out of a tight corner I was in where I was having early morning hypos and a complete pattern reversal of my basal since taking up the diet.

My GP I saw last Friday who is overseeing the management of my blood pressure (I'm at that age, with teenage kids that are old enough to kill me) My GP is keenly following my weight loss and has done a lot of research on the lchf diets. She stated she is keen as she's seen nothing but benefits from people on it.

So in answer to your questions: Yes you can follow the advice of the health workers entrusted to your care. One persons bad experience does not equate to all health care workers being tarred with the same brush. You have a choice as to where you have any NHS treatment. Use it. Most are not antiquated in their views. My sister was told she was pre diabetic. She was put straight on the lchf diet. We are not living in the same part of the country as each other.

Many health care professionals joined the profession because they wanted to help people. I still believe this to be true.


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[CollieBoy]

JustDomUK,
you have had a good experience, BigPiggy had a bad experience. some HCPs are good, some are cr*p. We just have to have an open mind but at the same time be aware and know enough to know the difference, as it is their job BUt our health!

 

[Big piggy]

Ooops! Back to keeping my opinions and experiences to myself again. Just my own personal bug bear about the nearly 30 years of being a Diabetic sufferer and the varying degrees in standards of support and advice.

Feather ruffling is not my forte so apologies if I've 'dissed' anyones 'carers'. Keep taking the meds,...... Lol

Yes, I may be unlucky but I reckon there's more of us than there is of you! So, yah boo sucks! Treatment and its success is subjective. I know this all too well. The 'experts' regimes DO NOT always work, there is not 'one size' fits all treatment despite the NHS liking the idea. What trust can you put in 2 DSN's from the SAME surgery telling me 2 different things, actually contradicting each other?

Anyone and I mean ANYONE who blindly accepts the advice of just one specialist with no consideration to what their own body tells them, I suggest needs their 'head' examined not just their BS.....!

So, sabre rattling over, again, apologies if I've offended the great unwashed. This is just MY story and I'm sticking to it.

Pfffrt....**** that Metformin!


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[izzzi]

If all these modern processed foods etc; are not good how come we now live longer.
However I totally agree with Handr and Big piggy's views and I shall stick to my so called vegan type diet which is kind of similar.
Like you say we are all different, and Handr's grandchildren will soon come to realize that their lovely Grandmother knows best and will use her recipes.

 

[Sid Bonkers]

there is not 'one size' fits all treatment

Something you should bear in mind when posting in future perhaps

 

[IanD]

Ooops! Back to keeping my opinions and experiences to myself again. Just my own personal bug bear about the nearly 30 years of being a Diabetic sufferer and the varying degrees in standards of support and advice.

Feather ruffling is not my forte so apologies if I've 'dissed' anyones 'carers'. Keep taking the meds,...... Lol

Yes, I may be unlucky but I reckon there's more of us than there is of you! So, yah boo sucks! Treatment and its success is subjective. I know this all too well. The 'experts' regimes DO NOT always work, there is not 'one size' fits all treatment despite the NHS liking the idea. What trust can you put in 2 DSN's from the SAME surgery telling me 2 different things, actually contradicting each other?

Anyone and I mean ANYONE who blindly accepts the advice of just one specialist with no consideration to what their own body tells them, I suggest needs their 'head' examined not just their BS.....!

So, sabre rattling over, again, apologies if I've offended the great unwashed. This is just MY story and I'm sticking to it.

Pfffrt....**** that Metformin!


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Thanks for your contributions, BP.

Ignore negative comments & personal attacks

People coming to a forum like this MUST understand that all postings & opinions are based on the experience of of the contributor - normally real experience of real diabetics who have a contribution to the questions raised.

Moderator Edit: Removed name - less of the finger pointing please.

 

[catherinecherub]

Found an interesting article about the Paleo diet people may like to read. Environmental factors are also included.
There are plenty of comments too.
http://www.treehugger.com/green-food/popular-paleo-diet-not-most-sustainable-way-eat.html

If the Paleo is an ancestral diet we need to factor in the amount of activity that was involved during that period surely?

As to Sid's perceived "negative" comment, he is stating that one size does not fit all and I think the majority here agree with that. Whatever people's personal experiences, they cannot then say that everyone who follows them will have a good outcome. People's body chemistry differs as does their activity levels, weight, pre-existing medical conditions, the list is endless so to recommend the Paleo diet on personal experience and then say that one size does not fit all when it comes to the NHS seems like a contradiction in terms to me.

 

[douglas99]

I've pinched bits from every diet I've researched.
My experiences, is what works for me, works for me.
Everyone is different, and regardless of whether it's the nhs, or anyone else saying one size fits all, I've found it doesn't as well.
Any decision to take control in any way is always going to be a good thing, regardless of how it's done.

And I've found I've had, and still have excellent support, advice, and treatment from HCP.

(love the first question in that link
"did it have a face?
yes - it's paleo
no - it's not)

 

[julifriend]

If all these modern processed foods etc; are not good how come we now live longer.

It's because of all the preservatives in processed foods

 

[noblehead]

It's because of all the preservatives in processed foods

Wishful thinking, I think we are living longer as modern medicine allow us to, some of the things that killed us years ago are now treatable and manageable. As I said earlier in the thread processed food is really hard to avoid and we are not talking about Ready Meals or Fast Food here.

 

[Yorksman]

It's because of all the preservatives in processed foods

My old dad always used to say that smoking and alcohol were great preservatives.

Salt too is good for preserving stuff, well, herrings at least.

 

[noblehead]

My old dad always used to say that smoking and alcohol were great preservatives.

Salt too is good for preserving stuff, well, herrings at least.

Menthol cigarettes were given to patients who had chest problems........unbelievably!