Just been diagnosed.

cdunbar86

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Hi folks,

Just got diagnosed as T2, don't know how I feel tbh. Thought I was in good condition. 27 year old male who plays regular football, works outdoors actively every day. Struggling to get my head round cleaning up my eating, I think that is my big issue lol

Been for my scans, eyes tested and have an appointment with a dietician plus subscribed my medication 2 metformin twice a day.

Anybody got any advice were to begin?


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douglas99

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Hi

A change of diet/lifestyle is important.
I think this post sums it up, so I'll quote it in full.

Please do not concern yourself with such labels as low fat, high carb, low carb etc. Convenient labels is all they are.
Everything is relative anyway! What is low carb to one is high carb to another. If you asked people on this forum how many grams of carb is low carb you would get almost as many different replies as there are people on the forum.
And they would all be irrelevant!
The only thing that should be relevant to you is how many carbs are right for you to keep your blood sugars under control.
Taking a step back for a minute then, I think that what everyone is agreed upon is that in order to control your diabetes what you need to do is introduce lifestyle changes that will allow you to do so and these will include all or a combination of:
- medication as prescribed by your doctor
-increased physical activity
- dietary changes
Medication is strictly a matter for your doctor to prescribe, and for you to stick to as long as you trust it. I consider all medication as a necessary evil, as it introduces the risk of side effects, but I am willing to take it if I consider the risk of not taking it to be higher. Tend to trust older drugs such as metformin more than the latest wonder drugs, the long term safety of which is more uncertain.
Physical activity is also not controversial. If you can increase your physical level of activity then your general health including your blood glucose levels will benefit. Walking is my activity of choice as it can be done anywhere, does not require specialist equipment and is low impact, so unlikely to lead to injury, no matter the level of fitness or how overweight one may be. A pedometer really helps in keeping oneself motivated and setting personal targets. Remember though that the only person you need to better is the person you were yesterday.
When it comes to diet things start to get more controversial, opinions differ and confusion results.
Most nutritionists and the majority of medical practitioners advocate the healthy plate approach whereby diabetics, like the rest of the population, should take meals comprising of carbohydrates, proteins and fats in the ratio of 55/20/25 in terms of calorific intake. A rough guide is that half your plate should be salad/green vegetables, a quarter of your plate should be protein such as lean meat (about the size of a deck of cards) and the last quarter should be carbs such as rice, pasta or potatoes. Fats should be mostly monounsaturated or polyunsaturated plant fats rather than saturated animal fats such as cream and butter.
Some scientists question the validity of the above advise and argue that it is better to reduce the percentage of calories from carbohydrates and, as the percentage from proteins can not be increased much without risking kidney problems, increase the percentage from fats, more controversially saturated fats in order to make up the missing calories.
There are scientific studies to support both theories and I have neither the training nor the inclination to judge which are right.
The latter "theory" known as Low Carb High Fat appears especially attractive to diabetics as it is known that it is carbs that primarily cause blood glucose to rise. Many of the people on this forum are very enthusiastic and vociferous followers.
While almost all agree that you need to reduce carbs to help make control of your sugars easier, the same can not be said about the amount of carbs that you need to reduce carbs by or to.
So what should you do?
You should let your body guide you through your glucose meter. Test your glucose levels early in the morning and before and two hours after each meal and adjust the level of carbs you consume so as keep your after glucose levels within 2 mmol of your before count. Keep at it for a few weeks and you should see an improving trend in your before meal counts as well.
Remember that this is a process that will take time. Do not expect overnight miracles, set yourself achievable targets and do not be disheartened if there are small setbacks along the way.
What is important is to arrive at a diet, exercise and medication regime that is effective for you and that you are happy to stick to in the long run.
I know that this post is very long but I set out to make it as clear as possible, hopefully removing some confusion for the newly diagnosed along the way, and unfortunately I do lot know how to do this using less words!
Final bit of advise is to always keep your spirits up, diabetes is serious, but as long as you respect it, it will not keep you from a full and satisfying life.... And there is so much in this life that makes staying healthy for, worth it.
All the best
Pavlos
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cdunbar86

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On a side note, the doctors said I didn't need a machine to monitor my levels, do you think it could be a worthy investment to get one to try and get to grips with my levels?


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douglas99

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On a side note, the doctors said I didn't need a machine to monitor my levels, do you think it could be a worthy investment to get one to try and get to grips with my levels?


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I find it indispensable.
It's the only way of finding what foods are ok, and which ones raise your bs.
I'm one of the lucky ones that does have a meter from my doctor, but others have to fund their own, and can recommend the most cost effective one.
 

daisy1

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Hi and welcome to the forum:)

In addition to the very good advice you have already received, here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask more questions if you need to and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 70,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

Carol-P

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I found this thread helpful. I realise, with my weight needing to come off some more, I need to make further adjustments to my diet. However, since the onset of my diabetes, I have been extremely tired and found it very difficult to cope. I have just had friends around three days in a run, and today I just flaked again! So, you can see, I'm trying desperately to get more exercise into my life. This is very difficult for me to achieve especially since I don't have anyone to walk with me on a regular basis.

Anyway, to return to the diet, I see that a number of people seem to be living and losing weight on lots of vegetables and probably very little carbohydrate. My sugar level isn't quite as low as I'd like it either, so more to do there. The question is now how to achieve it all. If I increase energy giving foods, I am sure I am going to find my sugar level going up again. I suppose I'm going to have to ask for an increase in meds. What do others think!


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totsy

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Hi and a warm welcome to the forum, youve already had good advise so just saying hi :D
 
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kerrygrant26

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Hi and welcome to the forum!

I can't offer any advice (im T1 diagnoses January) apart from look closely at your diet. What you eat can be the hardest to change if you've eaten a certain way for years and I won't lie it is hard but in all honesty it does get easier. I would imagine a blood glucose meter would be incredibly useful - am still at a loss as to why people with T2 aren't routinely given them.

Best of luck, and if you need anything these guys are great :)
 

Rob Mitchell

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Welcome to the forum... I'm new ish here too...

I was diagnosed at 26 t2, put on 2 metformin a day... I only took them for a week or so because I got control of my levels without it... But that's just my part of story not advising u to do same... I'm still overweight. Stress could be the reason for u.... It was for me.


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zand

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Rob- I hope you are not getting too stressed about the football results yesterday!

Cdunbar86. You seem to be doing pretty well already! You are accepting you need to change diet, which is good, and you already exercise which is brilliant. Yes a meter is a very good idea. As Douglas says it helps you know which foods are worse for you, and then you can be in control. As regards cost...it's the replacement test strips which are very costly, so you need to research these not just the initial cost of the meter. There is a scheme for cheap test kits for T2s who are diet controlled on www.diabetes.co.uk website. (well if it's still available)
 
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DiamondAsh

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Definitely, a meter is important. You can feel perfectly fine and not realise that your BG levels are high... the only way to know is to test.
Even people without Diabetes can benefit from keeping their BG levels in the safe zone.
All the meters are inexpensive but the strips aren't.
CodeFree strips (for their monitor) are the cheapest and work just as well.
Most testing is needed to be done in the first few weeks/months until you know what foods you can tolerate and which you can't.
 
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AnnieC

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Hi folks,

Just got diagnosed as T2, don't know how I feel tbh. Thought I was in good condition. 27 year old male who plays regular football, works outdoors actively every day. Struggling to get my head round cleaning up my eating, I think that is my big issue lol

Been for my scans, eyes tested and have an appointment with a dietician plus subscribed my medication 2 metformin twice a day.

Anybody got any advice were to begin?


Yes get a meter test before meals and 2 hours after then you will see what foods send your levels up and you can then avoid them A good start would be to cut out the starchy carbs like rice pasta and bread and of course the sugary stuff these are the worse for raising BS levels Good luck