Help! I have so much weight to lose

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Zand, I so identify with how you are feeling. It is a real challenge to change the way we live while all around are carrying on as was.... Trying to live better and want a better life for ourselves is so hard isn't it. This attempt to change my lifestyle is different to previous attempts in just one respect and that is that I have been learning about the process of change as well as about what food I can eat. I needed to understand how to overcome the blocks i meet each time i try to change and why it causes me such emotional pain. Changing behaviour is a deconstructing process where one stage of change is when we are in that place where we are no longer doing the old habits but we have not yet integrated new norms. So the pain is a sign of progress not failure! That's a liberating new way of seeing things for me. The pain of change is both a psychological and a physological response to change. I recall a doctor telling me once that our livers crave the same food all the time but if we gave it the same it would die because it needs variety to do its job. It does take the edge off my despair and self chastisement to remember that we humans are a contrary lot right down to our DNA! So at the mo I can keep on going one meal at a time....One short flat walk at a time. 2 weeks of trying now and I'm not thinking about success and failure. My focus is on the process of change..... so far so good.......

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I also wanted to say thanks for your honesty and openness about your struggle with diabetes you've helped me bring mine out of the shadows which feels so much healthier.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone who has ever posted on this thread. I want to reply to some of you more fully than I am able to at the moment. I am hampered by having to use a laptop instead of a PC. The real problem though is me as I am struggling quite a bit. Now that I am not using carbs to damp down my emotions I am changing. I have new positive emotions like real joy but also negative ones too. I am feeling anger now and I don't know what to do with it, but I won't suppress it anymore with food or drink. My poor husband is putting up with a lot right now.

so @miriamy your 2 posts say it for me perfectly!.....That's where I am now ....the deconstructing process. You say you identify with me and I can see by your words that's true. Yes it is much healthier to bring it all out of the shadows, but it's also very scary too. I am considering having counselling but I am too scared and embarrassed and ashamed to do anything about it. I will - well, I hope I will - Just not yet. Thank you so much for what you have said. You really can't know how much you have helped me this morning.
 
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I am struggling a bit in general today because someone was nasty about my weight. I shouldn't have let it bother me, I don't always.

Zand, please try to think of it this way - you are overweight, but you can and are doing something about it. They have a really horrible personality, and that is something that will take a lot more to fix!



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Zand, sorry but I am confused, over the past year I have done everything I can to keep my bs within normal limits so that I don't need medication. Yes I go off the rails sometime but I am proud of myself because my HbA1c is fine and my cholesterol is normal.
Why do you want metformin?
I have 2 very good friends who are both overweight, very intelligent lovely people who think too much and analyse conversations and days events to the point where it is making them ill. I tell them to stop over thinking things because no one else is, life is for living. Be proud that you are fighting back, you are doing great . Xx

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Why do I want Metformin? That's a really good question. I'm glad you asked it and I will give you a full answer because I would like everyone who reads this thread to know the reasons. .Like you, I have tried to resist medication. At one point I was taking 6 drugs daily for blood pressure and heart. I read somewhere that 2 of these drugs could have interacted badly and caused my heart to go into AF. Obviously I can't prove this, but I think it's true. My heart specialist told me that AF can be 'just one of those things'. I don't believe anything to do with health is 'just one of those things' . There will always be a reason we just don't know it yet. So, yes my ultimate goal is to be drug free, or as drug free as possible.

Like you, I have done everything I could over the past 2 1/2 years to keep my bs within normal limits so that I don't need medication. I knew I was pre-diabetic for several years and during that time I began to slowly change my eating habits for good. So I knew there was a possibility that a blood test one day would throw up 'diabetes' . I tried to sort my body out before it got to that stage, but failed. Whilst I was pre-diabetic though I heard about the Newcastle diet and stored the name in my brain in case I ever needed it. So when I got the diagnosis of diabetes, there was no denial in me at all. I came home and googled 'Newcastle diet' and not a lot of info came up, there were only a few entries back then and not much info. Just that it was a 600 calorie diet (Why on enough they dubbed it this, when it was in fact 600 cals meal replacement sachets/soups and up to 200 cals veg, I will never understand.) And that it was for 8 weeks. The problem I had with it was that I couldn't get Optifast anywhere and wasn't confident in using other meal replacements. Up to that point, I had been trying to live as much as possible by the '1 ingredient rule'....if there's more than 1 ingredient listed on the pack you don't have it. Yes of course I fail on that rule all the time, but I do try to steer away from things that have10 or 20 or so ingredients listed. One of the health email newsletters I received regularly calls these things 'edible food substitutes'. I just did not want to go back to having such heavily processed non-foods.

So, I started my own version of the Newcastle Diet. 600 calories a day for 8 weeks. I soon found out that I needed to cut out breakfast so that my other 2 meals could be a decent size. Some days I 'cheated' and had 670 calories. Next day I compensated by having less so that the average was 600. I was so determined to beat this. At the 3 week mark things were great. My fasting BG averaged at 4.9 for that week. I was eating mainly veg with a very small amount of protein. My intake of fat and protein was far too low. I see that now. If they had called it the 800 cal diet, I may have been OK, but 600 was way too harsh. At 4 weeks, I started to get mild pains in my limbs and lower back. By 5 weeks my back was so bad, It took me ages to get out of a chair. Swearing helped, but I could only do that if I was alone. By 6 weeks I was crying when I got out of a car or stood for too long. Don't underestimate the pain level here. I did not cry at all when I broke my rib and sternum, not when it had just happened, and not when it was healing. I finally gave up at the end of 7 weeks. Yes, I know I was stupid. Yes, I know I should have been under medical supervision.

I am telling you all of this now as it is part of my journey here and needs to be told at some time.

At diagnosis my HbA1c was 58, since those dreadful 7 weeks it has remained at 41 until the most recent one this month, which was 49. I lost some weight during those 7 weeks, but not enough. I needed to recover by eating more fats and protein so the weight crept on, gradually though. I can't remember what my weight was then, and I can't check because my computer isn't working right now......Aaaarrggghh. I think I lost a stone taking me to around 16 and a half stones.

I know I still have a big problem with insulin resistance. This is a bad thing because I find it so hard to lose weight, but also a good thing because that means my pancreas is still working hard to produce it. I want to help it out by taking Metformin to improve my insulin sensitivity as soon as possible before it gets too tired to function. I don't need Metformin to control my BG's or as an appetite suppressant. I am trying to exercise more and lose weight which will help too. Also my liver test - (serum alanine aminotransferase level) is worse again - up to 73 from 40 - and my cholesterol ratio is still not good. The low carbing will help the liver and I have started having fish oil again to help my HDL cholesterol. I am hoping that improvements in these two will also help with improving insulin sensitivity.

So I hope you can see that I haven't taken this decision to have Metformin lightly. I was originally against the idea. My mind changed after reading comments about Metformin and insulin resistance from someone on this forum; someone who always made sensible comments which were in line with my own way of thinking.

I think you are right not to take Metformin yourself. You don't have as much weight to lose as me. I have tried so hard for so many years, it really is now or never. The thing is, when you have more than 8 stones to lose, it's obvious that lots have gone wrong in your body already, and hormones aren't working properly. I don't believe anyone gets to be this huge simply by being greedy and I am writing this thread for anyone who wants to read it, but especially for those who hate themselves because of their weight. It is oh so hard to put one foot in front of the other and try.

Thanks for the question, it's one I really needed to answer.
 
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I am considering having counselling but I am too scared and embarrassed and ashamed to do anything about it. I will - well, I hope I will - Just not yet.

Hi Zand

Whatever you decide to do is up to you of course, but you have shown on here that you are not lacking in courage and determination. Meanwhile, whilst we are not professional counsellors, we do listen, we do (try to) understand, and we do support. Isn't that mostly what counsellors do?

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I know that diabetes is about control and not about weight loss, I do understand that and I am testing 5 times a day (on waking) before lunch, 2hrs after, before dinner and 2hrs after and the average results since diagnosis show averages in the region of 6's so I think I am doing ok for now - still learning what foods affect me in a bad way, but, (yes, you knew that was coming), I just can't get my weight out of my mind. Does anyone have any idea's on why such a huge change in diet and portion size has not resulted in weight loss yet?

Hugs,
Now how many of you skinnies are thinking....oh, she must be cheating on the diet? It's just a question, not an accusation. Dee, I don't know. Things that have been suggested to me are 1. get thyroid levels checked. 2. get vitamin D levels checked. 3. Take metformin to help combat insulin resistance. Have you got copies of your blood tests? Ask on Monday if not. Are there any which fall outside normal ranges? I don't know the answers, but someone here will know. Stick with it and keep asking questions. What is your morning fasting BG test figure like? It may be that your liver is still dumping out glucose in the early morning.

Dee, both you and I have lots of weight to lose, and when a doctor says diet and exercise it isn't always that helpful. I always got very hurt and defensive, because I thought the inference was that I am greedy and lazy. Keep trying to use your pedometer well.....it does work better if you take it out of your pocket a few times a day honest! I am finding that whereas a few weeks ago I always asked family to go and get something for me, because my back hurt, or my legs were tired, now they are asking me to get things for them...and I am happy to do it, because I am feeding Pedro with steps. (Pedro to me is like a superior type of Digimon....one that can't be killed off in a battle by my youngest after I have been feeding it all day when he was banned from taking it into school. Sigh...those were the days!.)

10 stones is the amount I would've like to lose. For me it isn't realistic so I have settled on a target weight of 10 stones 4 pounds.

Stick with it Dee, I am sure you will get there, but there may be a few obstructions in the way. Keep posting so we can encourage each other.

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Hi Zand

Whatever you decide to do is up to you of course, but you have shown on here that you are not lacking in courage and determination. Meanwhile, whilst we are not professional counsellors, we do listen, we do (try to) understand, and we do support. Isn't that mostly what counsellors do?

All the very best
Yes definitely. That's why I started the thread I suppose. It's just that I have already had one horrid moment when I went into meltdown over a small item I had lost. It was such a tiny thing, but I had a massive reaction. People who answered were great. Everyone said something which was hugely relevant and helpful,. I will be honest and open about most things, but there are some things which wouldn't be right to say here and that's why I think I need a professional counsellor. Anything I can say here I will because the support from all of you is wonderful. I don't want to be breaking down on this thread every couple of minutes though, that wouldn't be good for me and it wouldn't be good for any of you either.
 
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Hi Zand,

I even wondered myself if I was cheating on my change of diet so I started using MyFitnessPal, it tells me to eat 1,390 cals per day to lose 2lb a week. I have set the carbs to 87g, fat to 70g and protein to 104g (well I picked the % and "it" worked out the g per type). Only once have I gone above the allotted calories and twice above the carbs (ate **** so wasn't surprised). If anyone can give me better settings then I will make the changes willingly.

For anyone wanting to count what they eat I highly recommend the app, it is great for me as we shop a lot at Aldi and it lists all the foods we have bought and I have eaten (to date). Not found a way to print out each days diet yet but can easily copy and paste into word or excell if I need too.

I will ask the doc for copies of blood test results (didn't know we could do that). As for my thyroid, have been hypo for years, last test (couple of months ago) was fine. In fact I had that test because I thought I needed more thyroxin as I was so tired (still am), was (am) sleeping up to 18hrs a day, now am sleeping in the region of 12 - 14hrs a day.

Have just downloaded an app for my phone called Moves, will use that alongside my pedometer (maybe I should name him too). If it wasn't raining right now I would go for a walk.

Last 7 days fasting bloods (including this morning) are 6.9, 8.1, 8.0, 6.8, 6.5, 6.8, 7.6 (last one being this mornings).

I will ask about checking Vit D levels but I doubt he would go for giving me Metformin but if you don't ask you don't get. I could always put on my weepy face and see if that works lol.

Can't thank you enough Zand, inspirational, supportive, all round star!

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:) Dee if you want to send me a PM, please do. However, it's best to say what we can here on the thread because then the clever folks will be able to help us out with advice. :)
 
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Hi zand , just wanted to say I am thinking of you, you can do what ever you want ...to make all the positive changes you want to

Confidence and courage ....you have them both ......x
 
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Hi zand , just wanted to say I am thinking of you, you can do what ever you want ...to make all the positive changes you want to

Confidence and courage ....you have them both ......x

Thanks Kat.......well we'll see won't we? I'm not sure I have all the answers yet. I know I have courage (sometimes), but confidence....well if you met me you would probably be surprised at how little confidence I have.

Thanks for the encouragement, it means a lot.
 
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For anyone wanting to count what they eat I highly recommend the app, it is great for me as we shop a lot at Aldi and it lists all the foods we have bought and I have eaten (to date). Not found a way to print out each days diet yet but can easily copy and paste into word or excell if I need too.

I'm not sure you can on the app, but on the PC version you can run reports, which include your food diary. You can specify date ranges etc. I use this to search for a particular food, should I have what feels like a rogue reading after eating something. I can then match when I last ate it with the associated test reading.

If anyone has found a way to run reports from the app, I would be delighted if they shared that information.
 

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If anyone has found a way to run reports from the app, I would be delighted if they shared that information.

Sorry, I have both the online version and the android app. I have seen the reports but not worked out how to print out what I have eaten (not just the calorie/carbs/fats etc numbers for that day).

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I can print my daily food diary from online by going to FOOD (which shows your days diary) then to the bottom of the page where it says VIEW FULL REPORT (PRINTABLE), You can change the dates and what info is printed out. Now to find out if the app does the same.

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The app Help/FAQ says to open the online version to print the data.
 
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Zand you can do,it , all your supporters are here, one step at a time as they say. .....:)
 

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Zand you can do,it , all your supporters are here, one step at a time as they say. .....:)

:happy::D Kat, thanks, I didn't read your post until this morning. It is amazingly apt for me today and I am even giggling a little.

I didn't sleep that well. I woke at 1, 2 and 3 o'clock. It took me ages to get back to sleep. I woke at 5.22 and for the first morning since I got Pedro, I did not want to go out for an early walk. I knew this day was coming; that's the reason I started this thread. My head was thumping like I had a hangover and I just wanted to stay in bed all day.

I have messed up with my diet 2 days in a row. I haven't felt the urge to comfort eat at all and there have been 3 or 4 instances this week when previously I would have pigged out on a few bags of crisps. No, this wasn't comfort eating. This was eating because I was happy with an outcome......the visit to the doctors. I cooked a roast for our evening meal. I 'forgot' how many people I was cooking for and did too many roast potatoes. Usually I cope with roasts OK, particularly lamb, because my roast potatoes are never as nice when I cook roast lamb. This time they were nice. I thought just one wouldn't hurt. I don't suppose it did, but the 5 that followed it really messed up my BG in the morning.

Yesterday, I cooked lots of veggies for myself and since the other two weren't coming home till later, they decided to get themselves chips from the chip shop. The portions from our chip shop are huge, they usually get one portion of chips between them. This time they got a portion each....and left loads.....of course they did....... I'm trying to eat low carb so having two platefuls of leftover chips in front of me is exactly what I need. I got a sudden craving for salt and vinegar, and apparently for chips too. No, not two platefuls, 10-12 chips. Enough to make me feel bad about myself.

So that's it. I've messed up and it's not perfect anymore. So I want to give up and stay in bed all day because I am a failure. And that's why I started this thread in the first place. Yes, I let myself down all the time. I hate messing up. I hate ruining things. I also hate letting other people down. I am hoping this last trait will be the dominant one and that I will push through this phase because I don't want to let you guys down. We'll see.

So back to this morning. I did drag myself out of bed and I did go out walking. Slowly today, smaller steps. I knew I needed to feed Pedro at least a couple of thousand of steps early in the day, because I may not have the time later. He has in fact been fed 4630. If I ever do less than 5000 steps without a very good reason I will probably just give up and walk away from this thread and throw Pedro in the bin. So if you don't hear from me for a couple of weeks you will know what has happened. I am not criticising any of you who do less than 5000. I am not as ill as I once was, I don't work, my family don't need me running around after them anymore. I can at last put myself first and find the time to walk. I know most people don't have that luxury.

So Kat I got home after my walk and read your message and smiled.:)
 
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Top tip for leftover chippy chips: tell your kids to skoosh washing up liquid on them when they have had enough :***:
 
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