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IzzieS

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I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes last year 6 months after having a severe case of pancreatitis. Am still getting to grips with it and my medication keeps changing each time I see my diabetes nurse. At my last blood test in January, my HbA1c had not come down sufficiently even with new medication - dapagliflozin - so I have 3 months to see if it will change or I will have to try a different medication where I will have to check my blood sugar levels at various times of the day. This is quite scary for me but am doing my best to keep on top of it.

I've never written to a forum before, so another first!
 
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Welcome to the forum lzzie S, hopefully Daisy will be along soon with her advice to new members of the forum.
 
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I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes last year 6 months after having a severe case of pancreatitis. Am still getting to grips with it and my medication keeps changing each time I see my diabetes nurse. At my last blood test in January, my HbA1c had not come down sufficiently even with new medication - dapagliflozin - so I have 3 months to see if it will change or I will have to try a different medication where I will have to check my blood sugar levels at various times of the day. This is quite scary for me but am doing my best to keep on top of it.

I've never written to a forum before, so another first!
Hi Izzie,
This is the place I come to when I have questions or feel a little like people (who aren't diabetic) understand my concerns. I've been a diabetic type 2 for 5 years now and it was hard for even my family to understand. I only found this forum a year ago but its useful. ;)
 

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Hello and welcome.

I wonder if it is your diet that is causing you problems? If you tell us a typical day's menu maybe we can spot something to help you. Diet is the key in controlling this disease. Medication won't help on its own.
 

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@IzzieS

Hello Izzie and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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Hi izzie welcome ....

Sorry sbout the pancreatitis ...really not nice ..hope you are feeling better ...

Have a read of the information from Daisy ...and think about what you might like to try to suit your health needs ..
Good idea to perhaps involve your gp though ...

Lots of ideas and support here ....kat
 
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IzzieS

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Thank you. It's good to know there is help out there. I will certainly keep logging in.
IzzieS
 

totsy

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Welcome to the forum:)
 

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Hi and welcome to the group. I am a newbe just like you. I was diagnosed type 2 in oct. For me I always knew it was on the cards as I have a huge family of diabetics . For me it was hard at first to get my head around it all. It will take time to adjust . Take 1 day at a time. Listen to your medical team. Testing will become easy and it's a great way to see what is making your levels high. Mine is oranges . Take care and remember we are all here for you. :)
 

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Hi and welcome. Bear in mind that pacreatitis can result in damage to islet cells and if so you would not be T2 but effectively a Late onset T1 neding different medication. Let's hope no damage has been done but bear it in mind if the blood suagr won't come down.
 
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IzzieS

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Hello and welcome.

I wonder if it is your diet that is causing you problems? If you tell us a typical day's menu maybe we can spot something to help you. Diet is the key in controlling this disease. Medication won't help on its own.
Thank you. I,m wondering about this, too. I was a Slimming World target member for 6 years so my diet was low fat,low sugar etc. When I was diagnosed with diabetes I was told to have carbs with every meal, so have been enjoying bread (one of the things I didn't eat at SW) and so now I'm going to try a low carb diet, maybe back to the SW one, to see if that helps. Thanks for all the supportive messages.
SizzieS
 

IzzieS

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Hi and welcome to the group. I am a newbe just like you. I was diagnosed type 2 in oct. For me I always knew it was on the cards as I have a huge family of diabetics . For me it was hard at first to get my head around it all. It will take time to adjust . Take 1 day at a time. Listen to your medical team. Testing will become easy and it's a great way to see what is making your levels high. Mine is oranges . Take care and remember we are all here for you. :)
Hello. Thank you. I haven't been told to test my BS levels. Should I inquire about this at my surgery?
SizzieS
Hi and welcome. Bear in mind that pacreatitis can result in damage to islet cells and if so you would not be T2 but effectively a Late onset T1 neding different medication. Let's hope no damage has been done but bear it in mind if the blood suagr won't come down.
Thank you for this information, I will keep it in mind if the levels don't go down. Am just off to the gym, another resolution.
SizzieS
 

Bluetit1802

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Thank you. I,m wondering about this, too. I was a Slimming World target member for 6 years so my diet was low fat,low sugar etc. When I was diagnosed with diabetes I was told to have carbs with every meal, so have been enjoying bread (one of the things I didn't eat at SW) and so now I'm going to try a low carb diet, maybe back to the SW one, to see if that helps. Thanks for all the supportive messages.
SizzieS

The NHS dietary advice has a lot to answer for.

Personally, I would also stay clear of Slimming World diets (and other slimming clubs). The low fat aspect doesn't sit well with low carb. When you low carb you must increase your fats to make it work. Low fat products are not only bad for our health in general because of what goes in them, but also usually have added sugars. There is no need to go overboard with fats, just ditch all the low fat ones and switch to the real thing - butter, cheese, olive oil, real mayo, full fat yogurts and so on. Be careful with milk and fruits. They also contain a lot of sugar. Bread, potatoes, rice, pasta and cereals need seriously reducing or avoiding completely (including wholemeal).
 

IzzieS

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The NHS dietary advice has a lot to answer for.

Personally, I would also stay clear of Slimming World diets (and other slimming clubs). The low fat aspect doesn't sit well with low carb. When you low carb you must increase your fats to make it work. Low fat products are not only bad for our health in general because of what goes in them, but also usually have added sugars. There is no need to go overboard with fats, just ditch all the low fat ones and switch to the real thing - butter, cheese, olive oil, real mayo, full fat yogurts and so on. Be careful with milk and fruits. They also contain a lot of sugar. Bread, potatoes, rice, pasta and cereals need seriously reducing or avoiding completely (including wholemeal).

Thanks, again. There's so much conflicting advice around, it's good to have some from people who actually live with this daily. I hoping not to lose any more weight, as I am on the bottom of the good BMI range, but one of my tablets is inclined to make me lose weight. I shall definitely look into the low carb lifestyle and see what that does.
 

IzzieS

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@IzzieS

Hello Izzie and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you need to and someone will come along and help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 130,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

Thanks, this is really informative and I'm going to follow the link to carbohydrates right now.
 

Bluetit1802

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Thanks, again. There's so much conflicting advice around, it's good to have some from people who actually live with this daily. I hoping not to lose any more weight, as I am on the bottom of the good BMI range, but one of my tablets is inclined to make me lose weight. I shall definitely look into the low carb lifestyle and see what that does.

If you don't want to lose weight it is ESSENTIAL you eat sufficient calories from fats and protein to compensate for the loss of calories in the carbs. I am really struggling to maintain my weight now I am under my target, and am having to keep increasing my fats all the time.
 

IzzieS

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I don't really want to up my fats as I have high cholesterol, is this the only answer?
 

Bluetit1802

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I don't really want to up my fats as I have high cholesterol, is this the only answer?

If you cut your carbs right down you are also cutting your calories, and if those calories are not replaced from fats and/or protein, you will lose weight. There is no other choice.

How high is your cholesterol (and lipids)? Many people find on a LCHF diet their cholesterol and lipids actually improve. I'm one of those people. Mine are better now than they were when I was on statins 12 months ago. There is no need to be afraid of fats, but you must make up your own mind about this after reading all the information you can find. @jack412 has some great videos about cholesterol and fats.