Type 2 Porridge

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Hi
I was diagnosed as type 2 Diabetes approx. three weeks ago and never gave a thought to it before. My question refers to my breakfast. For the past ten years or more I have had porridge most days of the year. It is made up from a half cup of whole wheat oats, one cup of semi skimmed milk, a half cup of water, and a flat tablespoon of honey. is it fine to carry on having this
 
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Lamont D

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Hi @Howard_Hopkins

I did exactly the same as you when diagnosed prediabetic, except the honey.

It did me no good whatsoever, too many carbs and adding honey is adding more sugar.

Porridge is a grain which some diabetics are intolerable to.
Honey is another form of glucose, which spikes your blood glucose levels too high.
Semi skinned milk is lactose and many can't tolerate that form of sugar.
The good news is water is ok!

However, you may be able to get away with this if you test yourself with a blood glucose meter, which will help with all food, to see if you can cope with all types and combinations of foods.

I've tagged @daisy1 to give you the newcomers welcome information.
Read and then have a look at the low carb forum, to get some breakfast ideas and recipes.

Keep asking questions, you need to know this stuff.
 
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JenniferW

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I'm still too new to be able to offer good advice, but I also used to have a cereal breakfast: around 20g oatflakes soaked overnight in around 250 mls soya milk (unsweetened), plus a small banana. Sometimes I'd include sunflower seeds. When I found out about low carb diets, I switched to a cooked breakfast, usually eggs. I'm testing my glucose levels and one morning I had the old breakfast, to see if the level went up. Not only did it not go up, it was much the same as after any of the zero-carb breakfasts. So I'm not at all sure what to make of that! I'm not getting good results from a low carb diet, though, and I wonder if I'll end up one of the small group of people you'll come across here on the forum who seem to do OK with some carbs.
 
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britishpub

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I was following the GI diet for a number of years before being diagnosed. I ate expensive organic large flake Oats, stoneground wholemeal bread and all the other stuff they say is healthy for you.

Didn't do me any good.
 
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Ahem, my 2pence worth... get a meter and test. We all have glucose metabolism issues, only we all don't manifest it the same way. Some can do oats some can't. Some can eat small amounts of wheat bread some can not. Rarely will anyone get away with honey, sorry.
Main point is test test test, then you will get a picture of what your body likes rather than your eyes, or other people's body's.

If your in UK, SD Codefree is a good meter as the strips are cheap

HTH
 
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Daibell

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Hi. Most people find that prrodge especially with honey is not good. I would suggest if you want oats to have them cold as muesli with milk and no sugar but added nuts. 'Stewed' oats have a higher GI than cold and honey is a no-no for many of us.
 
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ButtterflyLady

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Ahem, my 2pence worth... get a meter and test. We all have glucose metabolism issues, only we all don't manifest it the same way. Some can do oats some can't. Some can eat small amounts of wheat bread some can not. Rarely will anyone get away with honey, sorry.
Main point is test test test, then you will get a picture of what your body likes rather than your eyes, or other people's body's.

If your in UK, SD Codefree is a good meter as the strips are cheap

HTH
Many of us use the SD Codefree meter, available here

http://www.homehealth-uk.com/medical/blood_glucose_monitor_testing.htm

because they have the cheapest test strips on the market, and you may need a lot initially.

There is a discount code if you buy 5 or 10 boxes, which brings the price down to about £5 for 50 strips.
5 packs 264086
10 packs 975833

Most other meters have very expensive strips.
 

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I start most days with porridge.
Use full fat milk and water fifty fifty.
No semi skimmed low fat no fat products at all!
Especially dairy.
See ..... http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
I put a teaspoon of butter and a teaspoon of coconut oil in it to help slow down glucose conversion and I'm fine with it.
I probably consume two table spoonfuls of honey a week spread across numerous servings of full fat yoghurt and the spike is to small to worry about and gone very very fast.
Honey is not just another form of sugar it is a very complex substance with near magical qualities.
Remember every time we eat we are putting our glucose levels up and that's normal.
It's how high and how rapid it rises and collapses that we need to be concerned about.
If anything takes me to eight on my meter then I consider I have made a mistake in my eating and learn from it.
The only real way to learn how stuff affects us as we're all very different is to test.
A meter is essential for me.
I consistently now come back from surgery readings as none diabetic but only while I continue to eat to my meter.
I have bad reactions to statins but have lowered my bad cholesterol and raised my good without any medication and I'm convinced my daily dose of porridge helps with that.
On my porridge I have a table spoon of that half sugar stuff.
If my fasting reading is six or above I avoid the porridge and the sugar and the honey.
I'm usually around five these days though.
Two hours after a bowl of porridge I'm around seven by the third hour I'm on my way back down again and I'm happy with that.
I consider eight on my meter to be the red line that I don't want to not only go over but don't want to reach.
Very rarely do I reach that red line these days.
 
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daisy1

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@Howard_Hopkins

Hello Howard and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find this useful. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

andcol

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I do porridge with full fat milk and for a treat I add lashings of cinnamon on some days. I find oats are fine for me but I only know this because I tested extensively. A safe breakfast (in terms of glucose control) is egg, bacon, mushrooms, a tomato. But the real answer is drop the honey (use something else for taste like my cinnamon) and test with a meter
 
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