300 diabetes heart attacks per week -Doomed

swine1

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Hey this is a bit of great news for us folk. The good old Diabetes.co.uk have done it again. First there was the Silent assassin, Remember him???? and now we got this.
According to diabetes charity Diabetes UK, over 300 people with diabetes are admitted to hospital each week with heart attacks . Furthermore, some 65 required amputation of the toe or foot .

To reach the conclusions, researchers analysed a National Health Service study of 1.5 million people with diabetes . Diabetics are up to five times more likely to suffer from a heart attack, and are two-three times more likely to have a stroke . Furthermore, these types of diabetes complications cause around 50 per cent of diabetes fatalities.

The Chief Executive of Diabetes UK, Douglas Smallwood, reportedly commented: " Diabetes is the biggest health challenge currently facing the UK. Cardiovascular disease is the most common diabetes complication, sadly accounting for at least half of the 70 diabetes-attributable deaths that occur every day. Whilst we can't say for certain whether diabetes is the sole contributing factor behind these new figures, we do know from a wealth of previous research that there is a very strong link."................................................................aHH
I feel great today or did till I read this. Have these people no sense of humor ? But to be fair it kind of explaines the waiting times at out patients. Nurse said sorry we got loads of heart attacks Strokes and amputations today, can you come back a week on Tuesday ?? I said Sh-t thats what I can't do, but I can put it off for a week. I read such a lot of great topics on here that give me hope and encouragement. This smacks in the face and kills loads of the great stories and achievements that have unfolded on the forum. But cheer up You must have read (were all doomed) and (The silent Assasain). I would recommend everyone on the forum to be part of the other 50%. Live long and prosper.
 

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Just to clarify this. This news item is from Diabetes UK, NOT Diabetes.co.uk. It was just reported here.
 

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Just to 'cheer you up' no-one has actually identified whether it is the 'disease' or the 'treatment' which is responsible for these statistics, let alone controlled for other co-occurring factors... rubbish in, rubbish out...

What is truly distressing is that diabetes has probably one of the largest number of research articles associated with it (over 400,000 at last count) and yet very very few (in the 100s at best) are either 1) empirical or 2) targeted at addressing the causes rather than the symptoms (note that diabetes is actually a symptom itself, not a disease as such so in many ways it is largely pointless to 'treat' it ... its a bit like 'treating' a searing pain in the groin, but without bothering to identify the cause... doesn't ever bode well for patient outcomes... ).

Pitiful isn't it?!

:?
 

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Well there is always the oft quoted " Lies - Damned lies and Statistics ". Unless on the other hand you choose to do something about it . :)

Dave P
 

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What we NEVER find out about these doomed diabetics is what sort of control they have. Is it to DUK/ NHS standard, or worse than that or to non-diabetic level standard?
 

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You need to look into the stats......
They reckon that 50% of diabetics die of vascular problems, so who said that as diabetics we are no longer prone to vascular degeneration by "natural causes". Of the mainstream population, 30% die of vascular degeneration. So I would suggest that a well controlled diabetic with an above average level of activity and self awareness would be less likely to be part of the 30% let alone the diabetic 50%. I cant believe the stats that we are 5 times more likely to have heart attacks. If that is the case, why are the vast majority of controlled diabetics long time diagnosed. Surely our average post diagnosis shelf life would be a handful of years if we all faced the risks that are being suggested.
Diabetics are no different to any other health affected groups including the geneal populus.
Remember 12000 people die every week in the UK. If the population is 55 million and there are 2.5 million diabetics, then you would expect 550 diabetics to die every week from the same causes as anyone else!!.
Lies, damned lies and statistics.... :!:
 

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Or perhaps it doesn't, it sounds like fairly sensible advice to me. Just the sort of advice that you might get from a medical expert, a consultant cardiologist or a professor of diabetic medicine.

Oh I forgot all the experts are wrong aren't they silly me :lol: :lol: :roll:
 

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I remember the Christmas drink/driving/death statistic league tables they used to publish.

About 20% of deaths were the result of drink. Does that mean it is 4 times as safe to drink, & that driving when sober is dangerous :?: :evil:

Or that 20% of road deaths are preventable by not drinking.

Its not the statistics, its the interpretation & the slant that are misleading.
 

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Sid Bonkers said:
Or perhaps it doesn't, it sounds like fairly sensible advice to me. Just the sort of advice that you might get from a medical expert, a consultant cardiologist or a professor of diabetic medicine.

Oh I forgot all the experts are wrong aren't they silly me :lol: :lol: :roll:

Sid - Dont forget ALL the Experts includes ALL the Experts, not just those who prescribe to a prefered method or solution. I attend a diabetes class where everyone complains of obesity and/or poor BG control. I have been diagnosed since April, have followed Lo-carb ever since, have already achieved BG control and well on my way to a safe weight. The others have been diagnosed for years. If its OK with you, I will chose my experts wisely. 8)
 

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Bluenosesol said:
If its OK with you, I will chose my experts wisely. 8)


Of course it is OK with me Bluenosesol, you crack on and do whatever you feel is right. :)

If your experts don't include professional Cardiologists and Professors of Diabetes thats OK with me too.

I just try to make my judgements based on scientific research not anecdotal evidence. And best scientific advice at present does not favour low carb diets.

I am aware that many people on this forum would not agree with that statement but are those people dietitians, cardiologists or even GP's, who can be excused the odd bit of old advice as by definition they are general doctors not specialists.
 

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Sid Bonkers said:
I just try to make my judgements based on scientific research not anecdotal evidence. And best scientific advice at present does not favour low carb diets.

I am aware that many people on this forum would not agree with that statement but are those people dietitians, cardiologists or even GP's, who can be excused the odd bit of old advice as by definition they are general doctors not specialists.
As a scientist, I would submit that progress is made by those who are aware of previous research & who then question it. Clear the present situation with diabetes & obesity & other chronic conditions is that "best scientific advice" results in a deterioration of those conditions.

Like many on this forum, I followed "best scientific advice" until my health suffered. (Crippling peripheral neuropathy.) Then I began to follow the practical advice from diabetics who successfully challenged "best scientific advice."
 

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Sid Bonkers said:
Or perhaps it doesn't, it sounds like fairly sensible advice to me. Just the sort of advice that you might get from a medical expert, a consultant cardiologist or a professor of diabetic medicine.

Oh I forgot all the experts are wrong aren't they silly me :lol: :lol: :roll:

Hi Sid,
I see from your profile you use insulin; I don’t use any meds at all to control my BG. On diagnosis I did follow the standard starchy carb diet, after all the experts are always right aren’t they :? . After a couple of months of out of control BG levels which my HPs said would need medication I joined this forum, thanks to the advice received here I now have my BG under control, and 15 months on since diagnosis I am still diet only. :D
 

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Rather than this thread descending into the same tired old ground, let's keep it friendly. Discussion and debate that reaches an objective has purpose. Meaningless backtracking over the same ground has no purpose.
 

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I agree with Admin but I think I have just realised something that I've not seen posted before, apologies if it has:

A T1 does not just use insulin because it is more convenient than a different method of controlling blood glucose: WE WOULD DIE IF WE DIDN'T INJECT INSULIN. This is nothing to do with what we choose to eat. There are plenty of insulin-dependent diabetics out there who don't bother TRYING to control their blood glucose - THAT is the choice they have made? Yes? No?
 

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Administrator said:
Rather than this thread descending into the same tired old ground, let's keep it friendly. Discussion and debate that reaches an objective has purpose. Meaningless backtracking over the same ground has no purpose.


Excuse me for disagree with the low carb policy on this forum. You have my apology Admin.

Although debate about whether low carb diets can increase the risk of heart disease may be tired old ground to you it is new to me and I suspect many other newly diagnosed diabetics that come here for advice, should we only hear one point of view?
 

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well,i have given up on living anyway,i have hardening of the arteries and diabetes,my life is not the same anymore;just wish it would hurry up
 

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Just for the record. There is no low carb policy on this forum. Everyone has an equal voice.