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All of a suddon lack of appetite after 6 months on LCHF

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by madusmacus, Sep 1, 2014.

  1. madusmacus

    madusmacus Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    < sharon> yep I put it down to bordom too :)
     
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    cathh Type 2 · Member

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    I'm lchf daughter found me this site, she's a chef and some if the recipes are great, I like the mug brownie with cream yum. I don't have nuts or chocolate and I add 2 tablespoon of Stevia
    Just tried the cauliflower pepperoni bake, not bad at all
     
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  3. forge

    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    @madusmacus
    I expect you could be doing 2 things better to keep yourself interested in great food

    1) You say you are a crook cook - that is good because you have a reason to learn to be a great locarb cook and all learning is interesting. Everyone is capable of learning so just make up your mind to do it. That way you can make it all fun as you have your successes and learn from your flops. It is a game where you do not always win.. But like any game you are out to win.
    2) Try knocking out only major carbs with no counting carbs and normalise the hi fats (less). That way the variety of food is pretty much endless.

    What we did, and are still learning to do is adapt recipes to lo carb

    But not only that

    What we opted for was only 4 special main ingredients. Coconut flour, almond meal/flour and Xanthan Gum fake cooking sugar

    Tasty additives always on hand are desiccated coconut, crushed peanuts, frozen mixed berries, dark chocolate cooking bits. diet jelly, lemon juice, garlic, ginger, curry powder, diet cola, diet orange and lemonade, cocoa., cashews, yogurt, Foam spray cream, glace cherries, Asian stir fry sauces.

    You must admit boring would be gone. I will post some pics next
     
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  4. forge

    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    My son just found this recipe and adapted it to what we have.

    It is fluffy lemonade pancakes
    • 1 cup almond meal
    • 2 eggs
    • 1/4 cup diet lemonade
    • 2 T oil
    • 1/4 teaspoon salt
    • 1 teaspoon sweetener
    • frozen strawberries
    These are really good he mucked up the first two (he said he turned them too early) and the rest turned out fine. The picture shows the two he turned early on the right.

    Learning to cook is not about doing it right, learning most things is about fixing your mistakes or learning for next time.

    The only thing stopping you from having fun cooking is ourselves it is just attitude.
    [​IMG]
     
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    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The pancakes on the right were turned too early and broke up.

    [​IMG] lemonade fluffy pancakes 001.JPG
     
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    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Re pancakes above stand mix for 10 or 15 minutes before cooking.
     
  7. madusmacus

    madusmacus Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    forge thank you for all that amazing advice I WILL have another attempt to make pankages with the dreaded almond flour (which hates me and is in league with the devil)

    :¬)

    In fact im going to print out your info and give it a go :¬)

    Ty
     
  8. forge

    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    @madasmacus I glad I helped someone. BTW My son told me the pancake mix has to stand for 10 or 15 minutes before cooking.

    We had a BBQ last night and I fill it up (pull down lid type oven BBQ) and have the leftovers the next day. There was steak and sausages, mushroom zucchini, carrot, and pumpkin. What I do is Pre zap the pumpkin and zucchini in the microwave.Then I put everything in the BBQ together and it all finishes cooking at the same time.

    Last night I also put a damper in the BBQ a bit earlier (damper is a giant scone) I had sliced damper for breakfast with margarine and sliced pickled sweet cucumbers.


    So from one cooking effort I ended up with meals last night for 3 of us breakfast for me and left over BBQ to have (with salad if there is not enough) for lunch.

    MICROWAVE is a good trick
    The MW is a good trick because you can par cook (prezap) to speed things up OR if something does not work out then you can ZAP it for a final cook.


    Slow cookers is a Fast way to cook
    We bought a cheap slow cooker and it is fast (min prep time) and will cook all day and be hot ready for dinner and you can get more than one meal and freeze more meals. We can get 8 servings out of one batch. You can prep at night, then fill it and turn it on next morning and the cooking is done for a few days.

    The meat can go in frozen and do not bother to brown meat (according to Jamie Oliver) in makes no difference after 7 or 8 hours of slow cooking. The recipes with diet coke in them and diet orange soda come out exotic tasting and great. They also add packet soups for stock so Slow cookers are fast.

    We wrap up our slow cooker to save power, we put a cushion on top and wrap it in a big towel doubled up. It works because it stays hot for hours after it is turned off (see pic)

    Flat Sandwich Press and electric Pie maker
    We use both of these the sandwich press heats from above and below so it is twice as fast as a frying pan and is sort of like an oven too. I cook cakes in the pie maker but biscuits in the oven.

    Combos
    You will learn combos, Zap frozen oven bake crumbed chicken in the microwave it heats well but does not crisp. So then put it in the sandwich press for 5 minutes to crisp up. We have a deep fryer in the BBQ area outside so we zap stuff to defrost and or pre-cook before deep frying. The deep fryer oil keeps fine for months and we do not use it often. the fav. for that combo is frozen peeled raw prawns from some suss country, we defrost in the microwave roll them in flour and deep fry on high for 2 or 3 minutes. It is hot enough to kill any nasties quick and easy to do, very little clean up and tastes great.

    So think combos to make cooking fun and minimise wasted time cooking and clean up.

    Don' forget cold cooking, I have made rum balls and frozen yogurt slices they are popular.




     
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    bluejeans98 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Why not make your own curry. That way you can control what goes into it. Bulk it up with plenty of veg and use very lean beef. Also swap white rice for brown.
     
  10. forge

    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Food "boredom is not an isue around here.

    No major carb and extra veg is still fine after 7 months and my wife and adult son have been on it for 2 meals per day as well as me for 3 meals per day. In that time I have been back to my specialist 2 times and got off 130 units insulin per day and onto 4 metforman tabs per day. Being off insulin helps me with driving regulations compliance. In 7 months I have lost 19KG but I am not losing much now but another 5 kg will make me happy and I have lost the weight without a vigorous exercise campaign.

    We don't count carbs or cals or measure portions.

    As for food variety we eat BBQ Curries oven "fried" crumbed chicken, steak sausages chops bacon eggs salads and slow cooker meals microwaved frozen veg fresh veg but no potatoes and grated cauleflower instead of rice. even deep fried frozen prawns rolled in coconut flour/wheat flour mix Cakes are always available. Occasional crispbread biscuits baked beans and small portion of all bran cerial with diet jelly and friut + an occasional glass of wine

    I have found the casual approach is fine, it works and is sustainable and it is not necessary to do hi fats I am walking proof that you can do it all without extreme high fats.

    My son has put together a list of recipes that we have used and liked.if anyone wants them I can email but there are too many to post.

    Although bread is off the menu, we have not replaced it directly but the 3 of us get through a dozen large muffin/cakes in about 4 days. We dress up the cakes with choc bits, glace cherries, nuts, foam cream, yoghurt, sweetened cream cheese icing, and custard made from milk thickened with coconut flour. Plus I made "jam" from strawberries and gelatine with fake sugar and use the jam and foam cream.

    Don't be frighetened to use some SR flour. 1/2 coconut flour and 1/2 wholemeal flour and fake sugar will make a 80% less carbs cake etc. If you keep the quantity of your treat down + the 80% less carbs then your tasty treat is not going to be a big deal and send you too high.

    I sometimes make a tinned fish fish-cake with frozen veg and an egg and a heaped dessert spoon of wholemeal flour and a heaped desssert spoon of coconut flour and 2 tablespoons olive oil baking soda and some curry powder and that ends up a platefull and does not send me too high. I cook it with spray oil in a flat sandwich press toaster (it cooks from both sides in 5 minutes.) I even eat it with lots of tomato sauce.

    No major carbs, no measuring and no serving size restrictions works fine with extra veg and some nut flour and xanthan gum, I am pretty sure everyone can find enough not too boring food to eat, you can have your full complement of vits and minerals the natural way without supplements.

    It is all good fun too - if you treat it as fun it will be fun. If you treat it as punishment it will be punishment

    The only issue is nut flour cooking is expensive and you can't buy ready cooked. Some wholemeal flour in the nut flour is not a bad option no matter what the LCHF purist say.it holds things together and makes things taste more normal. BTW olive oil is needed in coconut flour because it is made after the oil has been taken from the coconut. Olive oil in coconut flour tend to take away the coconut flavour, it depends on what you like.

    There is no time for food boredom get on with the job of having fun on a no major carbs diet. it is too easy.
     
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    bluejeans98 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Does the coconut flour not taste of coconut. Only asking as I wouldn't want my food to taste of it all the time.
     
  12. forge

    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes but it has less coconut flour but it depends.

    If you replace the coconut oil they removed before they made the flour with olive oil it sort of neutralises tastewise.

    I often use 3 flours - wheat whole meal, almond, and coconut. The carbs are still vey low and any "odd tastes" are minimised. The other thing you can do is add some vanilla essence to mask flavours that we may not be used to.

    You really have to experiment to see what suits you, coconut flour increases a lot on volume when wet. Equal dry mix of the 3 flours is not equal when wet coconut ends up nearly twice the volume.

    A 3 flour equal dry mix will end up about 85% less carbs than wheat flour alone and if I do not eat too much it is a good compromise between similar to I am used to and cutting carbs to the extreme.
     
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    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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  14. Judlepip

    Judlepip Don't have diabetes · Active Member

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    This is a totally out of date topic, but I have SO lost my appetite since being on LCHF! Anyone else suffering the same? I feel I can't eat anything; I'm just so bored with it all. (Weight loss stalled about 3 weeks ago which may have a lot to do with my lack of enthusiasm!)
     
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  15. forge

    forge Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I do a lo carb ice cream that might be good with the mug cake. The only real issue in lo carb for me is bread - I am not a fan of high fat -I have enough heart issues without doing hi-fat.
     
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    We found the same.

    The help?

    Trying new foods & new spices.

    After 50 years of hi carb hi sugars in endless variations , when the novelty & excitement of weight loss & health wears down, the fight for health begins.

    Hang in there!
     
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    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    I go to the I can’t be bothered stage every few weeks and usually find I’m back down to the same few staples and bored. In fact just last night I had (another) meltdown about choosing deciding planning shopping and cooking more ***** meals and how I’m sick of cooking from scratch constantly. I ended up fasting . Today I’ve dragged the recipe sites up again and just about to drag myself round the supermarket, again, and refuse to leave til I have meals in the trolley til the end of the weekend. I’m miserable doing it but I know from experience it’ll help a huge amount once I have done it.
     
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    HSSS Type 2 · Expert

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    In fact I (literally) dusted off my bike in the garage and cycled to the shop. I have Greek kleftleto? cooking in the oven using turnips and swede not potatoes and the lowest bgl reading in ages, with the bonus that the dreaded exercise and fresh air has lightened my mood thankfully.
     
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