Any weight loss hints for OW Type 2??

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Hellooo ...

Still yet to have my diabetic consult, so putting all my faith in you lot ;)

Only advice (apart from meds) at Dr's appt was to "try and lose weight".

So having read a lot of info here and in various sources I have decided to go the low-carb route to managing my blood sugars.

When I was pregnant (BACKSTORY: Gestational Diabetes, pushing insulin humulog some 100unit per main meal lol towards the end) I experienced keto-acidosis in a rather unpleasant manner, if I didn't manage to keep anything I ate and spent many weeks in hospital on drips to keep my fluids up - that state is therefore something I began to want to avoid at all costs as it had made me feel like death in a blender.

(sorry, rambled)

soooooo - for many years I've done the classic high carb low fat route to so-called "healthy eating" and where that got me is fatter and diabetic full time.

I've been diagnosed two weeks now and aside from one small mis-demeanor involving my (laughable) attempt at home-made-low-carb-bread which despite my best skills (and I'm a good cook) made my BG stay up over 10 at 2 hours past the eating (that was one small slice) ... I've been eating very low carb diet.

So far, no weight-loss miracles have occurred (there was me thinking I'd me Miss Bikini Xmas Dolly by DEcember) - so I'm wondering what precisely else I can do?

Toe is on the mend (after incident involving a jar of honey, my foot and a 6 foot fall from a cupboard) so I'm starting running again (read: wobbling and sweating lots) but I have been walking lots anyhow, and have a 4 year old kid, so sitting isn't really a viable passtime anyhow.

Any hints would be hugely gratefully received!!!

Many thanks,

Jem xoxoxox
 

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If you follow the advice of many of the threads in this forum - low carb is the way to go. If you find that difficult try Low GI.
 

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Hi Jem,

Weight loss is definitely one of the many advantages of low-carb. As you might have read elsewhere on the forum, insulin is regarded as the main fat-building hormone. Also, when insulin levels are high, glucagon production is disabled so that fat burning can't take place. Only when insulin levels are low does glucagon get to work enabling fat stores to be burned.
The ketogenic state thing is rather overstated by those who are sceptical about low-carb. Ketosis is a perfectly natural and healthy state, essential if we are to burn fat.
Low-carb ticks all these boxes - low insulin levels and efficient fat burning. I can vouch for it personally having been 4 stones heavier 7 years ago! :shock:

All the best,

fergus
 

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Thanks for the replies thus far :)

I am perfectly happy to go wholeheartedly into low-carb ... I have seen the light haha ... even the evil demon that sits on my shoulder making me want pizza has got a sock stuffed in her mouth :) (a low carb one)

The ketotic state I experienced for almost three months was brought about by lack of any food, rather than specifically lack of carb rich foods, so I suppose the fact I felt utterly kak (and frankly on the edge of death) may not have been entirely attributable to the ketosis as described by losing the carbs.

I guess I'm really a bit antzy cos I've not seen the needle move on the scales (not that I'm impatient of anything) and I figured the only good thing to come my way would be a rather glamourous weight loss, which as yet, had not appeared. Bum.

So - am I doing anything wrong? Or am I just expecting results too soon?

Thus far my fasting bloods have all been in the region of 7 ... which I understand is rather higher than the longer term desireable level ... phhhhhhftttttt ... sorry, just being impatient probably ;)

J/xx
 

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Jem said:
So - am I doing anything wrong? Or am I just expecting results too soon?

Thus far my fasting bloods have all been in the region of 7 ... which I understand is rather higher than the longer term desireable level ... phhhhhhftttttt ... sorry, just being impatient probably ;)
You probably are being a bit impatient, these things don't happen overnight. You are right, in that you eventually want to get your BG a lot lower than 7, but it is a lot to expect it to be much lower than that only two weeks after diagnosis. If you stick to a seriously low carb diet, then it will almost certainly come down over the next few weeks. If it doesn't, then you might need some different medication, but it is far too early to tell that yet. Hopefully, by the time you get to see your diabetes specialist it should be obvious whether or not the diet is working.

As for the weight loss, then a low carb diet will help that too. Many people loose quite a lot of weight when they first go onto a low carb diet, but again it isn't instant and it doesn't always work like that. I suggest that you keep a detailed food diary for at least a week. Write down everything that you eat, and work out your daily carbohydrate and energy (calories) intake. It is possible that in order to loose weight, you might need to cut back on calories as well, but you will probably find that on a low carb diet you don't need to be nearly as brutal with calorie control as you would have to be on a calorie-based diet.
 

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Thank you so much Mr Geek ... very useful info :)

I have written down everything I've eaten since the time of diagnosis and as one of life's intolerably anal people (and former dieter extraordinaire) I've recorded all the relevant information, more to put under the nose of the diabetic contact / nurse than anything else ;)

Hopefully the weight will start so slide soon, although the calories I'm consuming are already pretty low - I think probably the most calorie rish things I'm having are macadamia nuts and houmous, and that is within sensible limitation ... lots of salad and fruits mainly berries (gutted at giving up whole bananas :( ... but we'll see)

It's an ongoing experiment and sorry for being so impatient :) just one of my traits I suppose.

Cheers Jxx
 

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As 1 OW T2 to another. I have now lost 18 kg in about 15 months. Being T2 diabetic seems to make weight loss difficult. The whole system is geared for putting on weight. Low carb is the ONLY method that has ever worked for me and the only diet I've ever managed to keep to for so long. It's more an eating plan than diet. NO sweeties, no cereals, (ordinary) bread, no baked goods ( One jaffacake at my friend's house on a Sunday afterrnoon, doesn't count. No rice, no old potatoes, watch all other high carb root veggies. Eat meat, cheese, eggs, fish, a little fruit, green veggies, salads. 2 Tiny new potatoes are enough for a portion. Read the panels! If You stray, don't beat yourself up, don't give up, wailing about failure, just return to the narrow path. It may not be quick, but it will happen.
 

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Hi Jem,

One posibility is that your insulin resistance has lead to a continued insulin overproduction, and that your serum insulin levels may be quite high still. Did your hp do a c-peptide?
If your bs is still around 7, your pancreas will be working hard to bring it down, and the insulin required will definitely stymie the old pound shedding.
Give it time. As you low carb, your bs will fall, your insulin level will fall, and weight loss will become easier. It won't happen overnight, but it will happen.

All the best,

fergus
 

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Thank you both so very much :)

Your responses and explanations have helped bouy my confidence.

It's not that I lack faith in low carb - and even though this is the most restrictive diet regime I could imagine (ok I am partly self imposed on this because I'm vegetarian) but I have no hunger whatsoever, something which means I can stick with it for life :) I have absolute faith in the idea behind low-carb and consider myself a convert, although it's funny you mention jaffa cakes haha, just gave my little boy a couple for his dessert and they looked really good, but I just munched a few macadamias and felt very happy.

Thank you truly, I do hope I'm being too much of a pain in the proverbials, but I trust you lot more than the dietician who, when I was pregnant (insulin GD) told me I was allergic to food. LOL not so much.

The two little new potatoes I had a few days ago impacted my sugars greatly, so I'm avoiding all potatoes for now until such time as I can get decent BG levels.

Again, really grateful and looking forward hanging around long enough to thank you again ;)

Jem xox
 

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well - nothing happened for about a month and then a bunch of weigh disappeared *YAY* so hopefully it's a trend that will continue to see the scale-needle slide DOWNWARDS ... I knew it'd be worth it in the end, but finally seeing some results is really making me a bit more comfortable :):):):):)
 

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I'm so pleased for you, Jem! :D
Keep it up, lass, I'm keeping a space on the 'Success Stories' thread just for you.

All the best,

fergus
 

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thanks so much Fergus :)

I'll need to "earn" my place to go there though, certainly won't be for a little while yet ;)

:) happy!
 

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You and me both Jem!!I have to lose some more weight or risk the dreaded tablets and the wrath of the doctor.We can do it together!!
 

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macadamia nut Sue?

yay-us - sure we can help our selves quite a lot here :)

although I think I will give in once a month to pizza and rely on the fat involved not to kill me .. and then back on the bandwagon!

HAIL!

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Still no macs here unfortunately .!!I will stick to pistachios and almonds just now.
 

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and on the subject of macanuts ... my mum *bless her* turned up today with two gifts ...

one bag of macanuts courtesy of Julian GRaves bogof

one pair of my sons's gloves = which I'd spent the ENTIRE weekend searching for, she'd aparently got them somehow hooked into her coat when she left last week ... grrrrrrrrrrrrr ... glad to have 'em back :)
 

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Jem said:
well - nothing happened for about a month and then a bunch of weigh disappeared *YAY* so hopefully it's a trend that will continue to see the scale-needle slide DOWNWARDS ... I knew it'd be worth it in the end, but finally seeing some results is really making me a bit more comfortable :):):):):)

Way To Go!

Yes once you get your BG down the excess insulin, excess lipids, excess inflammation etc. stops messing with the rest of a rather complex control system and a whole lot of your phsyiological parameters reset.
 

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and feeling **** good for the first time in over 18 months is hardly a burden of a side effect!!!

thanks!!!

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I have this mild infatuation with an older gentleman ... musically minded and a total low-carb-delight ... possibly it could be love? or is that just a madness song?

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I'm down 2 1/2 stone in a year on low carbs, but now I'm stuck and need to get it going again. the first stone was painless and quite quick. think I'll have to cut calories too
Good luck!