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Are we reurning to 'normal' too quickly.

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by DavidGrahamJones, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Guru

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    thanks.
    This is a direct quote from @JohnEGreen ’s link.
    He said the decision to close non-essential retail was based on clinical advice, and added that "children had been particularly impacted" by the local outbreak.
    Five Leicester schools have closed since the beginning of June because of a number of coronavirus cases.


    Which speaks to a discussion yesterday, on this very thread, about whether children are unlikely to pass the virus on.
     
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  2. ringi

    ringi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What age children have got infected? What race are they?
     
  3. Fairygodmother

    Fairygodmother Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Does it matter what age and race they are @ringi? Surely it matters more that they may pass it on to others, to their own and other people’s families and friends.
    I know that like @Brunneria, our younger daughter and her family are concerned that people will travel to local towns when the pubs open on the 4th; they live just up the road from Leicester. Even if those travelling to go to the pub don’t spread the virus, the pub openings, and associated car journeys, could be a recipe for key worker overtime.
     
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  4. ringi

    ringi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, if it effects understanding transmission risk. Eg are the children 15 year old or 6 year old.
     
  5. Tannith

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    I have also ordered some very cheap ones from Amazon. I had intended to make some from empty 2 litre pop bottles, but paused to look for something to make the headband with. Then saw some on Amazon cheap.
     
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  6. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Leicester's demographic is somewhat skewed, versus the UK population.

    There is a higher south Asian community, plus their fair share of Afro Caribbean and Vietnamese people. One of Leicester's great strengths is it inclusivity and cosmopolitan approach to people. It's a wonderful city, populated by some amazing people.

    There is talk of poverty and many multi-generational households. Both are very true, but the multi-generational stuff is not solely financially driven, as some cultures see multi-generational households as simply the way to be.

    I have an interesting meeting this morning, where I hope I might learn a little more about what's actually going on.

    Interesting times, but I'm pleased not to live in the City at the moment.
     
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  7. KK123

    KK123 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Too late for baby steps I think, just wait until 4 July! x
     
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  8. Fairygodmother

    Fairygodmother Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    If there’s anything you feel you can pass on to us about what’s going on @DCUKMod, please let us know? The papers today seem to be concentrating on the reluctance of some to try to lock down, the vagueness of the advice and the difficulty imposing travel restrictions.
     
  9. Mr_Pot

    Mr_Pot Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Baby steps seems like a good description of government action assuming that it means staggering about aimlessly before falling over.
     
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  10. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    I'm on a meeting, so forgive no additional text: https://mobile.twitter.com/Danjamesmartin/status/1277885546648436736/photo/1
     
  11. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Just questionning, as many are doing, the logic of mask wearing e.g. a risk/benefit analysis in a discussion which is very biased towards to mainstream view that masks work and that children are vectors of infection.
     
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  12. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Leicester has an actual infection rate of 135 per 100,000. Does this mean that lockdown part 2 is justified? It assumes that lockdown works versus other options that don't involve putting the healthy under house arrest e.g. protecting the very vulnerable old/ill people and social distancing, hand washing.
     
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  13. Fairygodmother

    Fairygodmother Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    My reaction’s the same as most on twitter: no info about travelling in and out of the lockdown area (except a ‘recommendation‘), and in more stringent countries, that dealt with Covid better than we have, there were people checking need to travel!
     
  14. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    Lockdown in the UK is one of those, words where they don't mean what people generally think they mean.

    Lockdown UK means "vague encouragement to stay in an ill defined area, if you want to"

    But it sounds priministerial to say lockdown, and then the residents can be blamed if the cases surge.
     
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  15. Fairygodmother

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    I doubt herd immunity would work. It’d take too long to achieve. Moreover, it’s a question of trying to save lives before a vaccine’s developed, if a vaccine’s developed.
    You seem more concerned with civil liberties than you are with the tricky process of doing the best we can to reduce deaths.
    This country is one of the few where masks are not mandatory and it has the worst death rates of the G7 countries.
     
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  16. Fairygodmother

    Fairygodmother Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Coronavirus: Young, fit and recovering https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53169736

    @ NicoleC1971, the young and healthy can catch Covid too. Read the article. Yes, she’s recovering, but she’s been ill with it for a very long time, and she’s not recovered yet.
     
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  17. HSSS

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    Fair point and we should all be asking questions and listening to all sides.

    I’m just not convinced that waiting til after I’ve exposed myself is the best time to say “oops should have been more cautious”. I’ll potentially be dead or suffering long term already by then and it’ll be a bit late to change tack at that point.

    Better to be wary and then hopefully say it was unnecessary. An optimistic pessimist - hoping to be proved wrong but still doubtful I will be.
     
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  18. Chook

    Chook Type 2 · Expert

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    My personal point of view is that there are loads of questions about Covid that we and researchers don't know the definitive answers to so, until we do, it's best to be cautious to protect our own health.

    I've lost four friends and a several acquaintances to it and I really don't want to be the next one. So if wearing a mask protects others around me then it would be selfish of me not to wear one and hope they feel the same.
     
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  19. NicoleC1971

    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I've included both studies for the sake of balance. Covid is still there of course
    Ditto flu. I am well aware that being 49 and type 1 I may be at risk of suffering from it myself. It is just that I still would not shut down the country and advocate for mandatory masking.
    However I am not into upsetting those who feel they need to wear a mask and will defer to their fear by keeping my distance!
     
  20. DCUKMod

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