Briffa: Dr tells successful T2 to "Eat more carbs"

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Nice post on Briffa's blog on a T2 diabetic that reversed his diabetes using a low-carb diet, and was told by his GP to ignore his success and that "he MUST eat more carbs" because "you need them for energy". As I wrote in a comment, the only thing that is surprising about this, is that it's not unusual at all. We see the same thing repeated again and again on DCUK.

Once again it's nice to see mainstream media coverage of our plight...

I had my 6 monthly diabetes check-up last Wednesday. The diabetes consultant was really happy with all of my figures on cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure, weight (I’ve lost another 4 kg since February without really trying), kidney and liver function are excellent – in fact he was really impressed and asked me what I was doing to get these improvements.

Simple, I said, I’ve stopped eating wheat in all its forms and grains in general, I avoid rice and all potato products. I eat animal fat and the only oil that I use is extra virgin olive oil. Breakfast is typically a one-egg omelette and with a small amount of bacon, smoked salmon or Parma ham. I have spinach or other leafy greens and tomatoes. Lunch is often not taken as I do not feel hungry until 6.00 pm when I have my evening meal. Another small portion of meat and plenty of veggies. The only fruit that I have are a few blueberries, wild strawberries (when they are available) and raspberries – and I mean a few.

I sleep better than ever, don’t feel tired and have lost weight. I really ought to exercise though, that is the only flaw in my regime.

“No, you MUST eat some carbohydrates” he said.

“I do, I told you, I eat plenty of vegetables.” I said.

“No, no, starchy carbohydrates, you NEED them”

“Why do I NEED them?”

“For energy, your body needs carbohydrates for energy” came his concerned reply.

“How do you think that I’ve managed to survive since you last saw me then? And, you told me how pleased you were with all of my readings – doesn’t that suggest that I’m doing fine without refined, starchy carbohydrates?”

He had no reply other than to repeat to me that I MUST eat carbohydrates for energy.

I urged him to read Primal Body, Primal Mind by Nora T Gedgaudas and made him write it down. I could see that he wasn’t convinced. So, I told him that the ******** that he’d been taught by the food industry-research funded nonsense that the Government taught him is causing all of the major health problems that he has to deal with every day.

I also said that I throw a fat-fuelled log onto the fire in the morning rather than the carbohydrate kindling throughout the day to keep me provided with energy and avoid the feeling of hunger. Again, nothing seemed to penetrate that simple head of his; it was full of the guff that he’d been taught not to question.
http://www.drbriffa.com/2012/10/02/diab ... ent-194640
 

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I read your thread as

Dr Briffa tells successful T2 to "eat more carbs." :crazy:

What's going on ? I know shift happens, but Dr Briffa jumping ship ?

Now that normal order has been restored, I would simply ask my GP, if he used that line with me, what he would expect to happen to me if I lived on animal meat and organs for a year. Not low-carbing. No carbing :crazy:
Then refer him to the following

http://www.jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf

I've no intention to go that route, but would have no problem doing so. A year without fruit, veg, or 'essential' starchy carbs.
I guess if you can go a year without something it loses its 'essential' tag.

Geoff
 

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borofergie said:
I also said that I throw a fat-fuelled log onto the fire in the morning rather than the carbohydrate kindling throughout the day to keep me provided with energy and avoid the feeling of hunger.

I love that!! :clap:
 

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librarising said:
I would simply ask my GP, if he used that line with me, what he would expect to happen to me if I lived on animal meat and organs for a year. Not low-carbing. No carbing :crazy:
Then refer him to the following

http://www.jbc.org/content/87/3/651.full.pdf

I've no intention to go that route, but would have no problem doing so. A year without fruit, veg, or 'essential' starchy carbs.
I guess if you can go a year without something it loses its 'essential' tag.

That's a good approach Geoff. My worry is not for educated and informed diabetics like you, but for those people that take bad medical advice at face value. There are lots of people here (even) that wouldn't dream of confroting their Doctor. The alternative (keeping your mouth shut) doesn't do anyone any favours either, because it lets the Doctor take credit for results that in reality had nothing to do with their (poor) advice.
 

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borofergie wrote
My worry is ... for those people that take bad medical advice at face value. There are lots of people here (even) that wouldn't dream of confronting their Doctor.

I know exactly what you mean. I try to empower people whenever I can. Often this is done through education, and being aware of other options. I don't want others to think as I do. I want them to understand why I think as I do, and realise they have other options in life, rather than simply believing 'doctor/NHS knows best.'
It's a shame that some here stifle the dissemination of a better (arguably the best) way to control their health.

Geoff
 

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Hi. I think the thing to tell people if they are confronted by carb-loving GPs and nurses is for them to politely challenge the HCP for any research papers, guidelines etc that are based on ANY factual information about the bad effects of sensible low-carbing; there aren't any. Conversely there is plenty of metabollic research that shows that carbs are converted very readily and quickly by the body into glucose. To have an NHS that puts out advice based on mumbo jumbo is beyond me especially when it makes a serious medical condition worse.
 
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Brilliant account of how a low carb diet is beneficial for our health and how the healthcare profession in general don't know their arses from their elbows. We have evolved over millions of years to run on fat; it is our principle fuel. Evolutionarily speaking, starchy carbs are a relatively new thing. And does anyone find it a tad coincidental that heart disese in humans only came into existence around the same time that humans began to farm these so-called super fuels? Interesting . . .

Remember the Atkins Diet? Remember all the fuss about about how unhealthy this ridiculous diet was for us? All that fat will cause heart disease and the lack of statrchy carbs will cause us to explode on the commute to work. Twenty years on, and the evidence could not be more contradictory. Not that you've probably ever seen it. Oh no, it's hidden away. Heaven forbid us plebs ever casting our gormless eyes on the truth in all its glory! But it is out there: I think www.pubmed.org is one place where it can be found. Eating saturated fat does not cause cholesterol levels to raise, nor does it cause heart disease.

My GP Is into fell-running and triathlons (makes yer sick dunt it!) Off the record, (it has to be off the record because he'd be disciplined if the powers-that-be ever found out what he'd been whispering to one of his concerned chubby, high cholesterol, type one diabetic patients), he never eats carbs, he thinks they're evil and the root of all mankind's nasty problems!!! And he's as fit and slim as a racing snail.
 

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anti-statiniser wrote
Brilliant account of how a low carb diet is beneficial for our health and how the healthcare profession in general don't know their arses from their elbows.

Great to see you on the forum. Another enlightened, self-educated member.
Spookily, you write the sort of post I would, and I suspect that certain members here will already be trying to work out who you are. They'll possibly even think you're me, but we both know that can't be !

Interesting that you're T1.

It would be great to hear your story, diet-wise.
This forum can only benefit from personal stories.
The more we do to show others how they can control their blood sugar levels, their lipid profiles, and head off future complications, the better.

Welcome aboard !

Geoff (T2)
 

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Some brilliant posts on here, made me splutter with laughter into my lunchtime G & T !
Especially anti_statiniser comment ' as fit and slim as a racing snail '
and librarising ( Geoff T2 ), you are trully knowledgeable my friend.

GLA and keep taking what does you good,

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Hi there.

I am 42-year-old male with Type One diabetes. I recieved my diagnosis in 1998 at the age of 28.

After Christmas 1997, my weight stood at approximately 12.5 stones. Although for someone of 5 feet 5 inches this wasn't exceptionally gross, but was, nonetheless, fairly chubby. (You can only poke so many new holes into your leather belts before they begin to fall apart!)

So I began my new year's resolution in January of '98 by starting on a diet and beginning to jog. Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong! Very soon the weight started to drip off me. (My trousers were now being held in place by the belt manufacturer's neatly-punched holes once more.) Hurray! But then the results of my new regime began to surprise me. I was now making new holes in my belt once again. But this time they were on the other side of the neat holes. Pretty soon I found my belt was too big for me altogether! As were my jeans, my shirts . . . in fact pretty much all of my clothes. Even my shoes began to feel big. I had also developed a raging appetite and couldn't eat enough food to satisfy it. I was also drinking like a fish: water, pop, juice, and surprisingly, tea. I had NEVER liked tea. The merest mention of it was enough to make me gag! Now here I was, craving it and consuming it in ridiculous amounts. And I was peeing like it was going out of fashion! Something wasn't right. But how much weight had I lost? I didn't know. I was too scared to look. My mother knew what was wrong of course. "You've got diabetes, you idiot! Go to the doctors'!"

I didn't believe her. I didn't want to believe her. So I didn't go. I quit the exercise (in all honesty, I was too shattered to) and I began to eat like a pig in an attempt to put some weight on. The turning point came one night: I regularly would go to my brother's house to pay him a visit, and the uphill walk home would take me about 20 minutes. I timed it one night; it had taken me 35. And my eyes were blurred and my head was dizzy. I felt like an old old man.

Friends would laugh that I'd got AIDs. (Great aren't they, friends?) But I believed I was dying of cancer. And I was scared beyond belief . . . So I adopted the ostrich tactic.

But eventually I did go to the doctors'. It took my GP about ten seconds to diagnose diabetes. And it actually came as a relief when he told me. My weight was now 5-and-a-half stones!!! He referred me to the hospital as an urgent case. The specialist at the hospital told me that I had lost over half of my bodyweight and I should be dead. I assurred him that I wasn't. He went on to say that I had about two weeks left in me at most. He reckoned you could burn a hole in granite with a drop of my blood, it was so acidic! I'd had a sneaky suspicion that I was dying, but the close proximity of Death stunned me. I nearly died of shock! The specialist tried to admit me to hospital, but I refused. I took my insulin pens, my blood-glucose meter, a multitude of leaflets, and caught the bus home. I had some soup and a roll and a shot of insulin, and then went to do some block-paving. Within half-an-hour I had experienced my first hypo.

Within four months my weigth was back around the twelve stone mark. As the years have passed, that has risen to 13, then 13-and-a-half. All thanks to those lovely (I do actually mean that sincerely) starchy carbs. I still exercise but have been unable to make any significant dent on my flab. And for the passed eight or nine years I have blindly been popping prescribed aspirin and simvastatin.

Then I heard Zoe Harcombe on the radio . . . Her words were like a breath of fresh air. I discovered her website, www.zoeharcombe.com and then the utter genius of Dr Malcolm Kendrick, and it has has changed my life. I binned the statin because of the facts uncovered in Kendrick's brilliant book; I ditched the starchy carbs in favour of yoghurt, cheese, butter, meat, fish and lots of vegetables. And - wait for it -I lost ten pounds in one week. My weight has continued to fall steadily and not only that, I feel ten times better, fitter, alive. My mind has a pinpoint feel to it that it hasn't had for . . . well, eight or nine years actually. Statins cause brain heamorrhages and strokes, and are are linked with Alzheimer's. They don't tell you that when they scribble on that little green sheet of paper, do they?

There is so much nonsense and lies bandied around, it's time for some facts. The thing that makes me annoyed the most is the nonsense about cholesterol. "thincs", the international network of cholesterol sceptics (of which Harcombe and Kendrick are members ) believe that the prescribing of statins will go in history as one of the greatest crimes ever committed against humankind. You ask me what my cholesterol and trigyceride levels are. Well I don't actually know. And what's more, I couldn't give a monkey's! Our cholesterol levels are estimated and our triglyceride levels are NEVER even checked. NEVER. It's all one big lie after another. It's a case of bad science meets greed and wannabe notoriety. And I don't want a part of it. If they want a guinea pig, I know a pet shop that's got plenty.

If I can convince just one person to look into it and re-assess the 'care' being dished out to us trusty fools then I'll be happy. If i could convince a million, I'll simply explode with delight! And someone wil have to clean the mess up!


Richard, the anti-statiniser.
 

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If someone tells me to eat carbs, I ask for the name and symptoms of carb deficiency. It's Kwashiokor for proteins. There's NO deficiency disease associated with low carb.
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Hi Richard and welcome to the forum!

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your story and the way you write it. I shall be stalking your posts with great interest.

wiflib.

Last HbA1c 4.8 and a lovely doctor who STILL asks at every appointment, "I don't suppose I could convince you to take statins yet?" Silly woman.
 

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Sid Bonkers said:
anti-statiniser said:
Hi Geoff and all other sceptics out there. Hello to all the sheep too. (I mustn't discriminate against ignorance!)

What a rude and arrogant way to introduce yourself, please dont refer to other members here as sheep or infer that they may be ignorant should they not agree with you.

There is more than one way to control diabetes, please bear that in mind when posting in future.

But Grazer is a sheep isn't he?

Baa.
 

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ANTI_STATINISER, this is a free and open forum, short of abusing other posters directly you can pretty much say what you feel.
There are some OLD fogies on here who will protest at the slightest suggestion that they are wrong, or that their opinions have been degraded.

IGNORE THEM. the moderators will take care of any issues.

BaaaaaH !!!!!!!!!

Superchip !
 

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Hi Everybody -

May I introduce myself by requesting you to read my short story: http://www.diabeteshealth.com/read/2012/09/24/7659.html

There is a minor correction to the story: I will be 77 years old in January 2013.

I was diagnosed a type 2 diabetic in July 1991 based on a fasting blood sugar reading of 468 mg/dl. I did not take the several anti-diabetes pills I was prescribed to take. Instead I started running our stairs for a daily total time of 2 hours after passing a stress test. In 10 days, my blood sugar readings were already in the 130 mg/dl range. Very early in my life as a diabetic, I already knew that daily exercise was the perfect anti-diabetes med for me. Long story short, going 22 years, I am healthier that I can ever imagine to be.

What foods have I been eating? you may ask. High carb meals which must be heart-healthy, natural, fresh (raw or cooked), unprocessed, and whole, like fruits, vegetables, grains, nuts, beans, roots, seeds, seaweeds. I also eat lean pork, lean beef, fish, skinless chicken, shrimps and other sea foods.

Am I promoting high-carb foods? No, not at all. What I am passionately promoting is for type 2 diabetics, especially the newly diagnosed type 2s and prediabetics, to discover their own special, unique, effective, safe, lasting, and inexpensive way to manage their disease.

If I have been enjoying a life like I have no diabetes for more than 21 years so can any other type 2 diabetic who learns how to do it.

Thanks.

Bonny Damocles
 

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bonneynemia, What are you selling ? and why ?

Answer - came there NONE ?
 

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Superchip said:
ANTI_STATINISER, this is a free and open forum, short of abusing other posters directly you can pretty much say what you feel.
There are some OLD fogies on here who will protest at the slightest suggestion that they are wrong, or that their opinions have been degraded.

IGNORE THEM. the moderators will take care of any issues.

BaaaaaH !!!!!!!!!

Superchip !

Funny how when some people complain about rudeness, they're ruder than the post they're complaining about!
And I'm a sheep - and proud! And you paleo lot can keep your eyes off my rump!
 

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Superchip said:
bonneynemia, What are you selling ? and why ?

Answer - came there NONE ?

Superchip -

Thanks for asking.

I am not selling anything. I am trying very hard to encourage other type 2 diabetics to look for their own way of getting a life like they have no diabetes. I have been successful at it for more than 21 years so it can surely be done by others.

Have you known any other type 2 diabetic who has done as well as, or better than, I have? If you do, please tell him that I want to compare notes with him.

Bonny Damocles