Can I Go To Dafne Course

Hi andy,

I'm pretty sure the DAFNE course isn't available to type 2's using insulin such as yourself. but i saw your post and out of curiosity and wanting to lend a helping hand using the power of google i found this....

http://www.desmond-project.org.uk/aboutus-269.html

I had a quick read of a few pages and i didnt read in enough detail to see if it includes Insulin usage but this is a course designed for People with type 2 Diabetes

I'm sure someone who has previously been in your unfortunate position can advise you alot better than i can but i didnt want your post to slide down with 0 replies as other people post so maybe you can start here

Good luck and i hope everything goes well for you. x

There is also the X-Pert programme, link here:

http://www.xperthealth.org.uk/chooser1.php

Ken

Hi Andy,
Having just been on the DESMOND coure, I can say this was not geared at all to Type 2 insulin users. Rather, it concentrated on diabetes in general and seemed to relate to newly diagnosed 'pre-diabetes' and diet/pill controlled type 2 diabetes.

I was the only one there on insulin and the SDN was surprised to see me. The Desmond course was booked when I was first diagnosed and they had just started me on metformin etc. and I suspect this was not updated on my notes.

Having said that, I did find it a very useful 'information and discussion' day and, for all my research & reading about diabetes, there were plenty of things new to me and the day helped to 'get things together' in my mind. I would recommend it to all, but any 'big heads' might find it a bit of a trial as it is geared to speak to everyone. There was also plenty of one-to-one time for specific problems.

I came across this site :-

http://medweb.bham.ac.uk/easdec/prevention/diabeteseducation.htm#w
which says :-

"For insulin users, the DAFNE or BERTIE or insulin pump courses are highly recommended. It teaches people how to achieve food control and how to adjust insulin in their everyday life, see.

For newly diagnosed non-insulin users, the DESMOND course is recommended. For long-standing type 2 patients, the XPERT program is very helpful.

These are very very important programs that should be made available by GPs. Very few general practices provide such training. The NHS diabetes framework strongly advises such a course is made available to patients, and I believe patients should insist they attend one. Eventually they should be available to all people with diabetes near home. Ophthalmologists should be involved. Only 1/100 patients have attended a structured education program such as DAFNE or DESMOND, despite this being an NSF target from about 2005 (Liverpool 2007). "

The key word here is 'should'

This is the Dafne website :-

http://www.dafne.uk.com/index.php

It would be worth contacting them and asking if you would be eligible and where courses are being held

I am in the same boat, insulin treated type 2 , according to the Doc and type 1 according to the SD Nurse ...... go figure ! :? )

be good and be lucky

Dave

On the DAFNE site mentioned above there is a thread ' TYPE 2 and DAFNE in the Questions for HCPs part of the Forum .

Bit confused about that Phoenix. :? Which link do you mean. There is no forum that I can see and the HCP bit says it is under development.

I think he means this from the Dafne site home page > People with Type Diabetes > FAQs

Qn. I have Type 2 diabetes, would DAFNE be suitable for me?

DAFNE was developed for people with Type 1 diabetes and as such is not appropriate for people with Type 2 diabetes. There is no evidence that intensive insulin therapy is of benefit for people with Type 2 diabetes. :shock: :shock:

There are programmes that have been specifically developed for people with Type 2 diabetes which are available. Examples can be found at the DESMOND website and the X-PERT Health website.

Hmmmm .... So if my Diabetic Consultant says I have type 2, then the sole means of Glucose control she Prescribes, ie. Insulin .... is not of any benefit to me - What Cobblers !!

(one or the other must be wrong - hence my confusion)

I am certain there is a case to be made for entry to the DAFNE course if you are on insulin whether it is type 1 or type 2 that you have. The need to get the food/insulin/exercise balance correct is exactly the same !!

Cheers

Dave

Incidentally, just above the FAQ's section there is another called 'how do I access a Dafne course' and there is a list in there of locations where the course is run

Aha, sorry not the same site
http://www.dafneonline.co.uk/forums/4/topics/24

It shows that some type 2s have been able to get on DAFNE

Cheers Mate

The 'Thick Plottens'

Maybe I should write in and ask if the accept insulin dependant Type 3c's :shock:
That would extend their forum thread a bit :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Insulin Resistance does not seem to be an issue for me as Metformin has no effect.
My Problem is that I only have three parts of four fifths of **** all pancreas left - the rest has eaten itself :?

Dave

I'm type 2 diet and metfromine controlled. Was invited by diabetic nurse to go on Dafne and I was only too willing to give it a go. I thought the nurses worked very hard on the course and provided us with a lot of useful information. It certainly was not a waste of time for me. Was not aware of any insulin dependent Type 2's but that is not to say that they wern't there.
I would certainly say give it a go if you get the chance. The more information you can gather the greater the chances of controlling your Diabetes.

In reality it shouldn't matter that you are type 2. You're on insulin so you face exactly the same challenges as type 1. That is, matching your insulin dose to the carbs you eat in order to keep your glucose levels within a target range. So the dafne course would probably be helpful to you as you probably have more in common with type 1s than with type 2s not on insulin.

The problem is whether your doctor or nurse will refer you and whether the course will accept you, cos it's technically just for type 1, and there are issues with funding, blah blah blah... No idea why they want to fund so much less for type 2s!

When I did dafne they said they had problems filling all the course places cos people were reluctant to take 5 days off work (not me, anything to get out of the office!). But I think they would have preferred to have a type 2 sneak in rather than waste a place. So I reckon its worth putting on your nicest smile and doing a bit of blagging! Explain your situation to everyone - doctors, nurses, dafne co-ordinators, practice managers, the chief exec of your PCT, and anyone who will listen. Hopefully you'll find someone understanding or even just someone who will put you on the course to shut you up! It's worth a try - anything that can help you control your diabetes better is worth the work
good luck!

Glad that is all sorted Andy

All I need now is for my Diabetes consultant to call a 'Pig' a 'Pig' instead of a 'Dog'. :lol:

Everyone but her recognises Type 1 when they see it.

so far as whether it is better or worse, no difference that I can see...... You still need the insulin and appropraite diet & exercise.

be good and be lucky

Dave

i have a hospital appointment at the diabetic unit to see if i can get on the dafne course i am type 2 on insulin will they except me on the course

Hi Type 2s aren't eligile for DAFNE. The method of insulin calculation/dosing that is dealt with on the course isn't shown to benefit type 2s and seeing as the course costs around £700 per participant, and there is a waiting list for type 1s - I waited about a year, type 2s aren't accepted. It probably wouldn't help very much. You just need to make an appointment with a GOOD DSN - they should be able to help.

i thought for type2 you need to go on a DESMOND course ask your dns x

Busybee, Andy,
There is an online e-ourse which both T2/T1 can do, no waiting called BDEC http://www.bdec-e-learning.com/home.asp
I did it when I was on insulin & was T2