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Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by Royfiler1, Oct 13, 2017.

  1. Royfiler1

    Royfiler1 Type 2 · Newbie

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    Hi I've recently been diagnosed with type 2. I've read and heard a lot of conflicting info about veg. I've been told that root veg are high in sugars and shouldn't eat many but any veg that grows above ground is fine. Is this correct? I've read that I can turn beetroot into healthy drinks if I leave the skin in the juice. Beets do have a lot of added health benefits
     
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    Kingmob Type 2 · Active Member

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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    Generally speaking root vegetables are higher in sugars, but try to think in carbs rather than sugar, as all carbohydrates turn into sugar once you eaten or drunk them. Root vegetables are on the whole higher carbohydrate. According to My Fitness Pal beetroot juice is 3 carbs per oz, that’s 24 carbs for a decent glass full. That amount is a dinner for me! I’d rather eat my carbs not drink them! I notice this is your first post so I’ll tag @daisy1 who’ll post loads of useful link and info.
     
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    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    I bought a nutribullet just before I was diagnosed - most of the suggested recipes are totally carb stuffed but I tried a couple of experiments with what I had in the fridge which is low carb when eaten, but the same amounts in a smoothie caused my blood glucose to rise far faster than after a meal - the process seems to make more available faster, which is logical.
    Having eaten low carb for a while now I have been thinking that beetroot would be a good icecream base - it is surprisingly sweet - like peas. It is odd how tastes can change when sugar is removed from the diet.
    You can usually check the carb content of just about any food using the internet - though American sources include the fibre in the total count but others give the net carbs and the fibre separately.
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    Smoothies, juices and carby/sugary foods that are squashed in some way (including mashed potato) are actually worse for raising blood sugars that eating the food whole. You would be better just having small amounts of beetroot on a salad or whatever.
     
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  6. daisy1

    daisy1 Type 2 · Legend

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    Hello Roy and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.


    BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

    Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

    A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 250,000 people who are demonstrating this.

    On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

    The role of carbohydrate

    Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

    If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

    The bad news

    Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

    The good news

    People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

    Controlling your carbs

    The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

    There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
    • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
    • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
    Reduce your carbohydrates

    A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

    The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

    Choosing better carbohydrates

    The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

    Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

    Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

    Eating what works for you

    Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

    To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

    The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

    Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
    • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
    Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
    • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
    • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
    However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

    Access to blood glucose test strips

    The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

    • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
    • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

    Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

    You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

    Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.

    Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. They're all free.
    • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why
    • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
     
  7. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    Hi. Yes think carbs not 'sugars' as such. Roots do have more carbs in general but do have lots of good fibre so just go easy on them and go for raw carrots rather than cooked for example to keep them high-GI. Yes, avoid juicing anything as it reduces the GI factor.
     
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    Sam50 Don't have diabetes · Well-Known Member

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    Hubby does this with radishes-puts small amounts into salads.
     
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  9. AM1874

    AM1874 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi @Royfiler1 .. and welcome
    Putting your veggie questions to one side for now, you have certainly made a good move coming here and the key point to take on board is that managing and controlling your diabetes or prediabetes through diet, exercise and testing your blood glucose seems to be the best way forward for many people. For me, committing to an LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) lifestyle and testing 4-5 times a day seems to be working and you'll find that there is a wealth of info, relevant advice and positive support about LCHF on the forum ..

    I see that @ daisy1 has already been in touch and I suggest that you read up on the valuable information that she has sent you. You might also find the discussion on the Low Carb Diet forum helpful .. together with the following Diet Doctor websites, which will give you all the info that you need on what and what not to eat ...
    Low Carb Intro and Information and Low Carbs in 60 Seconds

    Unless you are given one by your Doc or Nurse, it is a priority that you get yourself a test meter and, for this, the following websites might help:
    https://homehealth-uk.com/product-category/blood-glucose/
    (or telephone: 01923 711511)
    for the SD Codefree meter, which costs £12.98 or:
    http://spirit-healthcare.co.uk/product/tee2-blood-glucose-meter/
    (or telephone: 0116 2865000)
    who distribute the TEE 2 meter, which is free.
    I have both which I alternate for comparative purposes and I have never found any significant difference between them.

    The cost of testing comes down to the ongoing charges for test strips and lancets.
    For the SD Codefree, the strips are £7.69 for a pack of 50 and there are discount codes available for bulk purchases:
    5 packs x 50 use code: 264086 .. cost is £29.49
    10 packs x 50 use code: 975833 .. cost is £58.98
    For the TEE 2, the strips are £7.75 for a pack of 50 .. but there are no discount codes currently available
    Make sure that you tick the appropriate box on the on-line order form and you won't pay VAT on your meter or strips. For the bulk discount on strips for the SD Codefree, you need to complete the order (check the boxes to confirm that you are diabetic and the number of packs that you want). Then click on view basket and on the left hand side of the window you will see two boxes .. Coupon Code and Apply Coupon. Enter the relevant discount code in the first box and then click the Apply Coupon box. This applies the discount and adjusts the price .. and finally, you then proceed to checkout

    It's important that you test in conjunction with what you are eating. Youmay have heard the phrase "eating to your meter" which, for me, means that I'm testing 4-5 times a day .. I take my fasting BG first thing in the morning to check that it hasn't shot up overnight, then I test immediately before meals and two hours afterwards. This enables me to monitor trends in my blood glucose levels over time and to check which (if any) foods give me "spikes". More importantly, I now know what my levels are .. and I can manage them

    Hope this helps
     
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