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Confusion within NHS Over The Treatment of Tyoe 2

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by Aphorism, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. bamba

    bamba Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To get back to the original point, one reason for the confusion about how to treat type 2 is that it is not a single illness, but a group of illnesses into which those not specifically categorised otherwise, are lumped together.
     
  2. Aphorism

    Aphorism Type 2 · Active Member

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    #62 Aphorism, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:10 PM
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  3. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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  4. Aphorism

    Aphorism Type 2 · Active Member

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    Thanks for replying.
     
  5. DCUKMod

    DCUKMod I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Ladies and gentlemen. Please stop bickering and name calling.

    The forum is not here for bickering. Should anyone have issues they wish to raise with another individual, please do it via Private Message or hit the Report button.

    Sgould further editing be required on this thread, it is likely escalated moderation will be required. Should you be unclear what that means, please refresh your acquaintance with the Community Ethos and Forum Rules.

    https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/community-ethos-forum-rules.50278/

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  6. Tannith

    Tannith · BANNED

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    https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng...abetes-in-adults-management-pdf-1837338615493 There is a later, 2017 version I think but I can't find it. I hope this helps
     
  7. Aphorism

    Aphorism Type 2 · Active Member

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  8. Rachox

    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Master
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    Just for the record I’m not quite sure what you are referring to now that some posts have been deleted. However I want @Aphorism to know that I haven’t been personally offended by him at all.
     
  9. Tannith

    Tannith · BANNED

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    've just seen this about that drug you mentioned pioglitazone! https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/bladder-cancer.html
    "In 2011 bladder cancer and diabetes have been in the news as a correlation between bladder cancer and people taking the diabetes drug Actos (pioglitazone) was found."

     
  10. Aphorism

    Aphorism Type 2 · Active Member

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    Thank you for your help; type two is so very different from type one, and the controversy over this drug is just one issue of many type two sufferers have to wrangle with.
    Cheers for taking the time to post something constructive.
     
  11. cmhdiabetes

    cmhdiabetes · Member

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    Yes, Do change doctors but in my experience they are all very limited, even so called specialist Diabetic Endroconologists as they all treat the disease and NOT the patient. Sadly us diabetics (type 2 in my case) generally present with very complex issues and most medical professionals cannot be bothered with patients who don't conform to their tick boxes. AND don't forget they all have to slavishly follow NICE guidelines or their practice/department cannot maximise funding. The NEW way of recording sugar levels is simply that ...if you check the NICE website they should have a simple comparison chart btwn old and "new money" to help you get a handle on it. I think this site might have one but I can't find it at the moment. Your diabetic nurse should be able to give you one...O and try google search. Sorry not computer literate enuf to send a link.
     
  12. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    The link was included earlier on in this thread. :)
     
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  13. cmhdiabetes

    cmhdiabetes · Member

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    If he were a lawyer it would be a heck of a lot easier to find a better and more effective one and he would be a whole lot easier to sue.
     
    #73 cmhdiabetes, Mar 13, 2018 at 6:44 PM
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  14. cmhdiabetes

    cmhdiabetes · Member

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    Thank u sI am still trying to negotiate my way around the site :) BTW my diabetic nurse couldn't do the conversion but then neither could "they" convert pounds to or from kilos!!!! Its frightening isn't it.
     
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  15. Aphorism

    Aphorism Type 2 · Active Member

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    Many thanks for
    Hi there and many thanks for your welcome and constructive advice; I appreciate it! Interesting stuff.
    It concerns me that docs sometimes try to throw expensive drugs at you, especially the controversial ones like Pioglitazone which has been banned in France and Germany and has pending court cases in the USA where it is claimed it caused several fatal side effects involving heart attack/failure and bladder cancer and a number of other complications. I feel I was able to make a personal informed decision not to possibly leave my partner too soon, and will not take thus drug. I myself have lost two stone and exercise rigorously on an elliptical cross trainer machine, daily without fail, and have a good muscle ratio. My weight is now 15.5 stone although I have a large rugby player build so losing another two stone might be difficult. On the low carb diet it's been a revelation in feeling so much healthier and fitter. Yet, my blood sugar is still too high! So, now it has been mooted my pancreas is shutting down and maybe insulin jabs are the way to go. We will see what transpires.
    Kind regards!
     
  16. dbr10

    dbr10 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think that covers it.
     
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  17. flowerthym

    flowerthym Type 2 · Member

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    I was given Pioglitazone about 12 years ago I broke out in huge blisters all over and itched beyond belief. I was immediately referred to a skin specialist who said that this would be recorded as an official side effect and placed on some register or other. Even now, after 12 years, it appears across the top of my medical records. I agree with everything you say about the confusion in the NHS about type 2 diabetes. I am now on insulin as well as medication in tablet form.
     
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  18. solu1956

    solu1956 Type 2 · Member

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    Liver damage may not be a complication o f diabetes, but taking all drugs for diabetes, worse than useless statins, blood pressure meds, the liver stores them all, as it doesn't know how to deal with them,as it does not recognise these chemicals as food. That leads to liver cancer. My husband died because of this. Was not discovered till he was stage 4.an LFT test may have saved him, so make sure you DO get this checked regularly. It was very aggressive, nothing could be done for him.
     
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  19. achike

    achike Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The adverse effects of Pioglitazone outweighs the advantages. From my experience of taking it over about 5 years it is a dangerous medication.

    For almost one year of my stopping, some side effects are still persisting. Pioglitazone should be banned permanently in the UK.

    Sent from my E6683 using DCUK Forum mobile app
     
  20. Will7

    Will7 Type 2 · Newbie

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    That sums up my experience exactly.
     
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