1. Get the Diabetes Forum App for your phone - available on iOS and Android.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Guest, we'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the Diabetes Forum Survey 2021 »
    Dismiss Notice
  3. Diabetes Forum should not be used in an emergency and does not replace your healthcare professional relationship. Posts can be seen by the public.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. Guest, stay home, stay safe, save the NHS. Stay up to date with information about keeping yourself and people around you safe here and GOV.UK: Coronavirus (COVID-19). Think you have symptoms? NHS 111 service is available here.
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Find support, ask questions and share your experiences. Join the community »

E-cigs and diabetes

Discussion in 'Diabetes Discussions' started by justjay, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. justjay

    justjay · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    28
    I couldn't see if this has been asked before, and hopefully it's in the right place!

    I recently (yesterday!) bought one of those electronic cigarette things as there's nothing quite like multiple chest infections and getting rigged up to an ECG like giving you a push.....! Has anyone noticed a rise/fall in blood sugar levels after puffing away?

    Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. liz_m

    liz_m · Member

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    23
    Re: E-cigs and diabetes

    they contain Propylene glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG)in small amounts. I found the same when i used them so researched it. I stayed with them tho.. reckoned smoking was the real risk. I don't smoke now :D

    Propylene glycol is an organic compound which has ubiquitous applications in everything from food manufacturing to lubrication of industrial equipment. Oral toxicity for both acute and long-term exposure is very low. In humans, PG is metabolized into lactic, pyruvic (a ketone), and acetic (vinegar) acids, all three of which are already naturally found in the human body. The only complication I could see from this would be if you take metformin. Although rare, metformin has been known to potentiate lactic acidosis, a potentially life-threatening condition caused by a build-up of lactic acid. However, it’s doubtful that the amount of lactic acid the PG in your pseudo-cigarette would cause you to metabolize would be sufficient to induce lactic acidosis. The bottom line: propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe and should have a neutral effect on blood sugar concentration.

    Vegetable glycerin, more commonly referred to as glycerol, is a polyol alcohol compound. Glycerol is a common food additive which works as a preservative, a sweetener, and thickening agent. Humans metabolize glycerol into a form of triglycerides, phospholipids, and possibly glucose. Since glycerol is an alcohol, it does metabolize like a carbohydrate, although it has a lower glycemic index than sucrose. Thus, it is likely to cause a small increase in your blood sugar, though the amount contained in your pseudo-cigarette is unlikely to make that increase significant (or perhaps even detectible). The bottom line: vegetable glycerin is generally recognized as safe and might produce a modest temporary elevation of blood sugar.

    The bottom-bottom line: whatever risks might be involved with the intake of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are clearly much smaller than the known risks of cigarette smoking. I applaud you in your decision and action to discontinue smoking. Nicotine is perhaps the most addictive drug to exist, so I highly respect your efforts.
     
    • Like Like x 8
  3. justjay

    justjay · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Re: E-cigs and diabetes

    Thanks for your detailed reply! Quite interesting how it's all used really.

    It was fairly easy to cut down at first due to illness and that sort of helped make me decide to give up.

    Now, I used to smoke 20+ a day, had the usual triggers such as get up in the morning, have a coffee and a fag. Have a meal, go for a fag etc etc. I've cut those out. I have no more than 3 a day at the moment, and don't take them out, don't take them to work, just carry my electronic one with me. It's not going too bad so far but I think this cutting right back first is going to help make it a lot easier tbh. For example I had my first one of the day at quarter past 6 yesterday evening!

    Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
     
  4. liz_m

    liz_m · Member

    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    23
    Re: E-cigs and diabetes

    i smoked like that too and i also started using them after a bad chest. Now if i want a smoke i pop one of them between my lips and 8 out of 1o times i dont even bother to inhale. the physical habit is harder to break than the nicotine dependence :D
     
  5. justjay

    justjay · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Re: E-cigs and diabetes

    They certainly work better than anything I've tried in the past! Did try champix in the past, pre diabetes. Worked for 3 months. Tries it again recently and wow, blood sugar levels shot up and we're erratic to say the least!

    Sent from the Diabetes Forum App
     
  6. Andy12345

    Andy12345 Type 2 · Expert

    Messages:
    6,342
    Likes Received:
    8,381
    Trophy Points:
    178
    Re: E-cigs and diabetes

    I've been on them since oct 2012 and love em, haven't smoked a real one since the first puff of it
     
    • Like Like x 2
  7. justjay

    justjay · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Re: E-cigs and diabetes

    Well done Andy, quite an achievement mate :)
     
  8. nibbyp

    nibbyp Type 1 · Newbie

    Messages:
    4
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    21
    Hi I have been using the e cig now for 3 weeks not had a rollie since. Howev
     
  9. jeniferfer

    jeniferfer Type 2 · Member

    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    43
    yes,it does affect the blood sugar in your blood sugar because nicotine will disturb the insulin(hormone that release by pancreas) when not functioning well (pancreas)your blood sugar's will high also with your blood pressure because the renal cannot functioning well.
    once you are diabetic you cannot recovery but you can control your blood sugar by:
    regular exercise
    quit smoking and drinks alcohol
    lower consumptions of starchy food and sugar as well.also the fruits you may eat it but by a small amount....
     
  10. phil1966

    phil1966 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    661
    Likes Received:
    5,852
    Trophy Points:
    158
    I've been using e-cigs since 2009 after smoking for 25 years, and haven't had a cigarette since I started on them. Last time my SATS were checked (before an op for a sports injury) they were 99%, my peak flow is 650+ and my blood pressure is 117/66 which is much closer to the profile of a non-smoker than a smoker :)

    E-cigs do contain nicotine but less of it is absorbed than with smoking and at a slower rate (see this study in nature: http://www.nature.com/srep/2014/140226/srep04133/full/srep04133.html ) and as nothing is being burned you don't get any of the harmful by-products you get with smoking (such as the carcinogens: nicotine, contrary to popular belief is not a carcinogen)
     
    • Like Like x 6
    #10 phil1966, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:01 AM
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 19, 2014
  11. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,429
    Likes Received:
    1,037
    Trophy Points:
    198
    Apart from half a dozen as a schoolboy I'm a life-long non-smoker BUT

    I saw a display of electronic cigarette lighters. Are these for electronic cigarettes?
     
  12. amcdee

    amcdee Type 1 · Active Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Lol :)

    Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
     
  13. Humblebee

    Humblebee Type 2 · Active Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    68
    Trophy Points:
    53
    I started smoking at 16, but since July 2011 I have been using electronic cigs and not had a puff of a real cigarette since. I can run up and down 2 flights of 15 stairs and not be out of breath; my blood pressure is normal for my age of 69. I was diagnosed in March this year with diabetes, with an initial glucose reading of 20.3. My first HbA1c in May was: 81, 9.6%.12.6 and on 20 11 14 it was: 40, 5.8%, 6.6. Just got to get a better handle on lchf cuisine ... but with just under 2 stone gone, and around 1.5 stone to go, I feel healthier now than I have for years.
     
    • Like Like x 6
  14. rden66

    rden66 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    127
    Likes Received:
    195
    Trophy Points:
    83
    E cigs are great. Couldn't of given up smoking without them.
    Gave up in June 14. E cigs for 2 months.
    My first smoke free Christmas in over 35 years
     
    • Like Like x 7
  15. amcdee

    amcdee Type 1 · Active Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    43
    I've been being for about 2 years a year without an analog fag. Could not be smoke free if it wasn't for the this. I do fined though that when cloud chasing it raise by blood sugars.

    Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
     
    • Like Like x 4
  16. clairemcg

    clairemcg Type 2 · Active Member

    Messages:
    37
    Likes Received:
    127
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Ecigs are awesome once you get past the mass produced eliquid and get a decent Mod, vaping is a bit of a hobby for me, helps my sweet tooth, I'm currently vaping S'mores, and also chocolate fudge caramel :) make my own liquid from concentrates to save money.
     
    • Like Like x 4
  17. amcdee

    amcdee Type 1 · Active Member

    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    43
    So very true

    Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
     
    • Like Like x 2
  18. mama1

    mama1 Type 2 · Newbie

    Messages:
    3
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Oh this is interesting.clairemcg, if you don't mind me asking and it's not against forum rules. How do you make your own liquid for vapes?
     
  19. Xan2cv

    Xan2cv Type 2 · Member

    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Also increasing potassium intake can ease the effects of Lactose. I. e. eat a banana.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  20. scottish-jim

    scottish-jim Type 2 · Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    615
    Likes Received:
    3,829
    Trophy Points:
    158
    @mama1

    I'm going to have a go at making my own liquid. Found this video useful:

     
  • Meet the Community

    Find support, connect with others, ask questions and share your experiences with people with diabetes, their carers and family.

    Did you know: 7 out of 10 people improve their understanding of diabetes within 6 months of being a Diabetes Forum member. Get the Diabetes Forum App and stay connected on iOS and Android

    Grab the app!
  • Tweet with us

  • Like us on Facebook