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Food intake restriction study by Prof. Roy Taylor, et al.

Discussion in 'Newly Diagnosed' started by TerryinDorset, Nov 19, 2015.

  1. TerryinDorset

    TerryinDorset Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    What do folks here think of the Newcastle Prof. Roy Taylor's study in reversing type 2 diabetes with a strict 8 week diet regime?

    I'm 73, and a retired NHS Ward Charge Nurse/RGN. A recent PSA blood test revealed Type 2 sugar levels & I was sent to the diabetic nurse & refereed to the doctor specialising in diabetes. I felt I was on a conveyor belt, being prescribed Metformin, along with diet classes & exercise classes. I told her I'd been a healthcare professional for 30yrs with no effect & the Newcastle study I wanted to discussed was waved away & I was told to only look at the BDA & ADA websites.

    MIMS says Metformin can be used where exercise & dieting has not shown weight loss. In the 2 weeks since I was told I had Type2 I've not had a chance to loose much since my change of diet & was shocked to be put straight on to medication.

    I'm going to try something similar to the Newcastle diet regime for swift weight loss & wonder if anyone else tried it, & what the results were?
    Oh, I will talk to my GP about it too.
     
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  2. martsnow

    martsnow Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi

    I am a little confused the P.S.A. or Prostate Sensitive Antigen, is used specifically, to test for the pressance and severity of Prostate Cancer.

    I am not aware from my own ten years of having PSA tests done, that it will show any indication of Diabetes.

    Perhaps you could clarify?

    Mart
     
  3. AndBreathe

    AndBreathe I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    Terry - I didn't do the Newcastle Diet (ND), but had great success reducing my numbers using diet and exercise. My stats are in my signature, under this post. @Andrew Colvin did a real food version of Prof Taylor's work, which he discussed here: http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/got-my-first-3-month-hba1c-results-this-morning.55719/

    Have a good read around the place. Several people have used the ND, with the predictably varied outcomes, but Andrew was particularly successful in both his application and his results.

    Ask loads of questions on the forum. There are plenty of people to help, and that's how we all got started. Sadly, many of us have found our GP support services have been pretty "light" on effective, up to date information. They'll get there in the end, but I wasn't content to wait for them to catch on. :)

    Good luck with it all.
     
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  4. Pollylocks

    Pollylocks Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    MIMS...? BDA...? [British Diabetes Association ? Just a guess] ADA...? Sorry but I'm not 'up' on these.

    There are a lot of abbreviations in this forum, it would be handy if the most common ones could be noted somewhere so we can all see them and what they stand for, unless I've missed something and they already are. I remember seeing DN being used when I first joined this forum and didn't know at the time it meant Diabetic Nurse, a poster told me.
     
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  5. tim2000s

    tim2000s Type 1 · Expert
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    MIMS = http://www.mims.co.uk/ - A drug and treatment database for Healthcare professionals. Some of us "Non-professionals" also use it! Not a common acronym for most on here.

    ADA = American Diabetes Association

    BDA = Diabetes UK now.
     
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  6. TerryinDorset

    TerryinDorset Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yes...blood test to show.PSA & other things & also found my raised BS.....
     
  7. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    I believe @noblehead has a post that have all the abbreviations.
     
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    catinahat Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-jargon.html hope this helps
     
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  9. Pollylocks

    Pollylocks Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    TerryinDorset Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you all for your replies & info/links. I appreciate it.
    Apologies for using the acronyms. I forget that not everyone will have a MIMS on the shelf.

    I started a kind of Newcastle Diet 3 days ago until I talk to my GP about doing the Real Thing.
    I'm thankful I was aware from my own professional knowledge that diet & exercise comes before the chemicals.

    I've already read lots of interesting & informative posts on the website - a very welcome resource.
    Thanks again.
     
  11. Lamont D

    Lamont D Reactive hypoglycemia · Master

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    Due to my condition, I have to low carb, very low!
    It works and has Changed my life.
    Low carb is a lifestyle not a diet!
    Once you get in control, why stop and chance reversing your good work.
    Once you have diabetes, it just doesn't go away, it will always be there.
    It's a marathon not a sprint!
     
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  12. Daibell

    Daibell LADA · Master

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    I have reservations about Prof Taylor's ND. My understanding is that it was originally developed as a crash diet approach prior to bariatric surgery and focusses on calorie reduction. Diabetics need to focus on carb reduction and in fact anyone who wants to lose weight should probably focus on carb reduction. Not all calories are equal and the body stores excess carbs more readily than fat, so focussing on calories is not what I would do. So, keep the carbs down and don't worry too much about proteins and fats. The ND will certainly help but in my opinion a low-carb diet will be even more effective. Metformin will help reduce insulin resistance in parallel.
     
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  13. AndBreathe

    AndBreathe I reversed my Type 2 · Master
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    It is my belief that Professor Taylor did his work to explore what actually happens when patients have bariatric surgery - meaning of those patients, who also had T2, having such surgery, a material number of them appeared to reverse their diabetes. Clearly, nobody wanted to do a study inflicting surgery on their subject patients, so the diet was created to mimic the aftermath of surgery when patients would only be able to eat small amounts.

    Professor Taylor acknowledges that for diabetics, the ND is not a way of life, and thought must be given to managing the diet, once the patient goes into maintenance mode. His approach was formulated to make compliance to his programme easy. If a trial subject is expected to eat x number of shakes per day, plus a bit of veg, there are few options to go off-piste into non-compliance, which would have impacted the research data.

    Professor Taylor is also on records are stating he is unfussed how those trying the approach approach their eating, provided they are significantly reducing what they are eating, and de-fatting their internal organs.

    I didn't do the ND, and when I ask myself, honestly, if I would have done it, I don't always come up with the same answer, but I admiore those who have done it and achieved great results. Personally, I purely set about improving my blood scores, but I did lose weight along the way and probably de-fatted my internal organs, as well as the rest of my body.

    It's not for everyone, but those who want to need to satisfy their own curiosity with it, but they must also understand that reversal is not guaranteed.
     
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  14. TerryinDorset

    TerryinDorset Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hello.
    6-7 yrs ago I lost 2st in 5 months with a 800 cal, low carb. diet & lots of vigorous exercise. The only difference now is type 2, & my desire to get my blood sugar back to normal. I say this to show I'm very happy to loose weight & very quickly. My reason for being quick about it is having found out my previous GP knew my BS was high 18 months ago but instead of mentioning type 2 just said 'We must keep an eye on your BS.' It's my new GP who told me so I want to make up for lost time.

    I did realise the ND is trying to copy the effect of a gastric band & I'm happy to comply & stay on-piste! I find the experience of others very reassuring & am amazed at the tips, etc to pick up. As you say, AndBreath, de-fatting internal organs is the important goal with resulting normal BS I hope.
     
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    TerryinDorset Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I hope folks will like to know that I've lost 15.5lbs in the last week since I started the ND uaing Slimfast & very brisk walks.

    Just one thing though - should I take the Metformin I was given at the same time?
     
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  16. Pipp

    Pipp Type 2 · Moderator
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    I stayed on Metformin. BUT I was advised to by GP, and monitored by nurse fortnightly. Also checked weekly at pharmacy for ketones in urine and BG levels and weight.
     
  17. TerryinDorset

    TerryinDorset Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hello.
    Thanks for info.
    I cannot see if your GP agreed to your doing the ND that mine would not agree. He's a sensible chap! I'll know in 5 days when I see him & am even lighter! I'll let you know.
     
  18. 4ratbags

    4ratbags Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Its amazing what a change of diet can do for your BS. Just be aware though that once a.diabetic always a diabetic and diabetes cant be reversed as such, its more like putting it into remmission so it is a good idea to make sure the changes you are making are sustainable for future as it is a lifelong journey.
     
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  19. Roytaylorjasonfunglover

    Roytaylorjasonfunglover Family member · Well-Known Member

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    #19 Roytaylorjasonfunglover, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:53 PM
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    Roytaylorjasonfunglover Family member · Well-Known Member

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    Its depends how you define diabetes. In order to have diabetes you need the genes for it, some people can be whatever weight, do all sorts of unhealthy things, and still not get diabetes.

    But if you have the genes, excess weight will give you diabetes,and how much weight that is needed to unleash this, varies so much.

    When you have diabetes, you are causing yourselfes all the complications and just controlling for bloodsugar does not cut it, the definition of a "cure" is that you are able to eat at least 50 percent carbs each day, with normal glucose readings.

    And again diabetes is about excess weight.

    Say somebody weighed 150 kg at a height of 188cm, when they got diagnosed. they lose weight down to 100 kg and then they are able to process carbs like a non diabetic by all the golden standards. If they keep that weight hey will not get complications, and they do not have diabetes in a technical sense, they just have the potential for getting it again. Maybe the limit is at 140 kg? or 135 kg?

    As long as you keep yourselves under your personal fat threshold for diabetes, you will not develop diabetes, go over it and you become diabetic.

    Diabetes is a fluid state determined by your genes and weight.
     
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