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HAS ANYONE EVER CHALLENGED THE NHS EAT WELL PLATE/GUIDE RE DIABETICS?

Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by Debandez, May 25, 2018.

  1. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    It is blatently obvious that the NHS guidelines are so wrong for diabetics. And probably for people in general. But specifically for us. As diabetics we are carbohydrate intolerant so we have to keep carbs much lower than people who aren't. There seems to be an under lying reason that we aren't given proper advice and we are offered medication and not adviced to check blood sugars with a meter. Drs get paid more for patients on diabetes meds I believe (and even more when statins are perscribed). Pharma companies are also quids in as are diabetes organisations. Poor dietary advice keeps people sick and results in them needing more meds. Does anyone know whether the eatwell guidelines have ever been challenged. For example via change.org?
     
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  2. kokhongw

    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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  3. NoCrbs4Me

    NoCrbs4Me I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, virtually nobody follows the government dietary guidelines. They are difficult to adhere to even if you really try to.
     
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  4. kokhongw

    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It is a systemic problem that will be difficult to dislodged. Big food and pharma are too deeply entrenched in the system and profits globally from the current model of "healthcare". Changes will only come if there is an alternative model that actually gets rewarded for healthy outcomes and not sickness...
     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    It is proving to be akin to fighting Medusa with no more than a butter knife and a coat hanger but there are a growing number of people in the medical profession challenging the dogma, calling for full disclosure and clarity within and without the system. It seems that there needs to be a generational change as well as an educational one.
     
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  6. kokhongw

    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Who benefits if hundreds of millions of T2D managed to reverse their condition and becomes medication free within a year or so?
     
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    Rachox Type 2 (in remission!) · Moderator
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    Who benefits? The diabetics who don’t get complications, and therefore the NHS as they reduce the cost of treating said complications.
     
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  8. kokhongw

    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    If there is now a massive drop in T2D patients...it would likely be followed with a correspondingly massive drop in NHS funding...the same goes for most government health agencies around the world...

    In reality only the health insurers may stand to gain from the public's improved health...depending on how their cost is structured...
     
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  9. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for sharing this very interesting article.
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Completely agree. Ive never questioned them before. That said I've never followed instructions like the 5 a day rubbish!
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    The healthier model has to be LCHF surely. The results are phenominal. I now have a non diabetic hba1c due to this diet and i am one of many. It would help with not only diabetes but problems with obesity which is also on the rise.
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    You can't eat an elephant whole! It's going to take time. It's just getting the word to spread faster!!!
     
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    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    What a wonderful thought.
     
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  14. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    If there was a massive drop in T2D pts then the NHS (and other worldwide health organisations) would not need to give so much funding. The most important people who would gain are the diabetics themselves.
     
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    Pinkorchid Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have never been told to eat that way by either my doctor or diabetes nurse I had never even heard of the Eat Well plate until I joined this forum
     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    I was taught the Food Pyramid at school, this was the forerunner of the Eatwell Plate.
     
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    Pinkorchid Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have never heard of the food pyramid either I am to old to have been taught that at school lol
     
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    Squire Fulwood Type 2 · Expert

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    In general terms Zoe Harcombe challenged the Eatwell Guide,

    http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2016/03/eatwell-guide-conflicts-of-interest/

    but not in terms specific to diabetics where the problem is different.

    Malcolm Kendrick said that when he was at medical school he didn't think that they spent more than an hour on nutrition.

    The medical profession doesn't/didn't seem to think that diet was important when curing a disease. I suppose hospital food demonstrated this quite well.

    My DN offers no clear dietary advice (although I know she would like to) since she is confined to handing out pills for everything.
     
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    Salvia Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I reckon I must be too old as well. The nearest thing we got to nutrition was Maslow's 'Hierarchy of Needs' :rolleyes:
     
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    bigsi1984 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I am newly diagnosed and got handed the diet sheet on Tuesday. I'd already been self testing for two weeks and engaging with this forum. When I saw the guidelines I was gobsmacked. I felt like I should ask if they had handed me the wrong thing.

    Basically, eat bread and rice and other carbs as a big chunk of your diet. No thanks!

    I feel so concerned for the people who fully accept what the doctors say and blindly follow the advice of the NHS. Surely it's not right to lead them down a path that will hurt them and cost the NHS more in the long run.
     
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