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FrancesB

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Hi,

All a bit of a whirl atm. Newly diagnosed type 2. I've been put on metformin, though my fasting blood reading this morning was 13.7, which seems to be higher than normal though I've no idea how bad it really is.

My doctor hasn't really given me much to go on at first, since I'm also bipolar so I think she's afraid too much too soon might affect my mood and lead to an episode.

Anyway... just wanted to say hello before I start seriously exploring the forum and reading all the advice posted by you good people.

Frances x
 

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Hi Frances and welcome to the forum :)

Here is the information we give to new members which I think you will find useful. Ask all the questions you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 

FrancesB

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Wow... what a quick reply! Thank you so much for the info you posted to me, Daisy, and hello :)

I've been reading a bit about carbohydrates in other places too. Seems it's not just a case of controlling sugar intake, which is interesting. (please, forgive my ignorance on this) It's going to take a bit of trial and error at first, I think, since my bipolar reacts best to high carb, low fat, low sugar.

I should probably also add after reading the abbreviations/terminology info that I have young onset type 2, as I am only 36, but it does run in my family on both sides.

Frances x
 

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Hi Frances, welcome to the forum! I think you will find lots of helpful info here, but if you have any questions please ask away, there are lots of knowledgeable people on here
 

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Hi Frances

Welcome to the forum and I hope you stick around for more information from the gang. It's interesting to hear that you also have bipolar because I have a theory that bipolar and diabetes may be connected and related to high and low blood sugars too.

Who knows? Now that your diabetes has been discovered and you're being treated for it, you may find that your bipolar becomes less of a problem. Remember our body is one whole complete entity and having just one dodgy hormone not working properly can affect lots of aspects of our health.

I've suffered from severe depressive episodes for years with the associated chronic fatigue etc, and quite a few other medical conditions too - they all either improved significantly or cleared up once my diabetes was diagnosed and treated. And I'm still chirping on today about how different I feel mentally since my diagnosis last August and all I'm doing is swallowing 2 Metformin a day and keeping my carbs as low as possible and my protein and fat intake take care of themselves.

I wish you well. :)
 

FrancesB

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Hi Fraddycat and GraceK, and thank you for the welcome :)

GraceK: Your theory is probably true. I saw my CPN recently and he said bipolar had an increased risk of diabetes. Like you, he also thinks my depressive symptoms may ease a little as I get my blood sugar under control (the sleepiness, brain fog, confusion and lack of co-ordination, energy loss). I am really hoping so.

It's kind of not too bad for me, because I can just track my blood sugar on Excel at the same time as I track my mood, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of correlation there is (if any) between the two.

I also wanted to say that I've been reading your posts in other places, and I tend to agree with a lot of what you say.

Frances x
 

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FrancesB said:
Hi Fraddycat and GraceK, and thank you for the welcome :)

GraceK: Your theory is probably true. I saw my CPN recently and he said bipolar had an increased risk of diabetes. Like you, he also thinks my depressive symptoms may ease a little as I get my blood sugar under control (the sleepiness, brain fog, confusion and lack of co-ordination, energy loss). I am really hoping so.

It's kind of not too bad for me, because I can just track my blood sugar on Excel at the same time as I track my mood, so it'll be interesting to see what kind of correlation there is (if any) between the two.

I also wanted to say that I've been reading your posts in other places, and I tend to agree with a lot of what you say.

Frances x

That's good Frances, I'm glad your CPN sees the correlation. I was blown away by how my mood and energy changed after treatment for diabetes, because I had the brain fog, the tiredness, the confusion, clumsiness - all of which were put down to severe depression because nothing showed up on blood tests. And I was like that for years, dragging myself around and feeling miserable. When I was younger it was put down to depression. As I got older it was put down as the menopause and finally at age 59 we found the CAUSE - dia-flipping-betis!!!

It worries me how many people with borderline/prediabetes end up with being unnecessarily diagnosed and treated for mental health conditions simply because they haven't yet got the diagnosis criteria right for diabetes.

The experts know a bit about how glucose affects the brain chemistry but I think they have a lot more to learn about that. I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress. :thumbup:
 

FrancesB

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I'm sorry there were so many of those years before you found out, GraceK. The worst of depression is a terrible thing, just for the physical symptoms themselves, even before you get into the mental ramifications :(

I do have a great GP, and he decided to test my blood sugar just because it hadn't been done for a while, so I do know that in 2006 my blood sugar was completely normal. Thinking back, I was going through one of my "eating a lot of fruit and rice and not much else" phases, so I'm guessing it would have showed up if it was there. The meds I've been on also mean I've had plenty of regular blood tests for other things too including liver function, so I'm hopeful we've caught it in time before it could do any damage.

There's some talk of a link between bipolar medication and diabetes, but I don't know how many real studies have been done on it. Regardless, I'll keep taking them and deal with the diabetes at the same time. After twenty + years of bipolar, anything is better than being unstable.

Frances x