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galgal

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Hi All

I'm new here too - just found out I had type 2 about three weeks ago. Kind of getting used to it now but will have a lot more questions etc. i had joined the US diabetic forum but they seem to be on a totally different eating programme to what I am on :roll: - hopefully this UK forum will suit me better. :p
 

daisy1

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Hi galgal and welcome to the forum :) I think you be able to judge the reduced carb way of eating by its results in reducing your BG levels if you give it a try. Have a look on the low-carb forum for recipes to give you ideas. What eating programme are you on currently? Is it working well for you? As you are newly diagnosed you will find the basic information that the Forum Monitors post for new members very helpful. I am not sure if you are in the US or the UK but some of the information won't be relevant in the US, although most of the information is useful for everyone. This includes information on diet. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be pleased to answer you.

Here is the advice that Ken and I, as Forum Monitors, usually give to newly diagnosed Diabetics. We hope that these few ideas gained through experience help you to gain control and give you some understanding of Diabetes. This forum doesn't always follow the recommended dietary advice, you have to work out what works for you as we are all different.

It's not just 'sugars' you need to avoid, diabetes is an inability to process glucose properly. Carbohydrate converts, in the body, to glucose. So it makes sense to reduce the amount of carbohydrate that you eat which includes sugars.

For more information on CARBOHYDRATE see here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20306

This is NOT a low carb diet suggestion, just a reduction in your intake of carbohydrate. You have to decide yourself how much of a reduction will keep your blood glucose levels in control.

The main carbs to avoid OR reduce are the complex or starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, starchy root veg and also any flour based products. The starchy carbs all convert 100% to glucose in the body and raise the blood sugar levels significantly.

If you are on Insulin you may find that reducing the carb intake also means that you can reduce your dose of insulin. This can help you to keep weight gain down as Insulin tends to make you put on weight and eventually cause insulin resistance. This should be done slowly so as not to cause hypos.

The way to find out how different foods affect you is to do regular daily testing and keep a food diary for a couple of weeks. If you test just before eating, then two hours after eating, you will see the effect of certain foods on your blood glucose levels. Some foods, which are slow acting carbohydrates, are absorbed more slowly so you may need to test three or even four hours later to see the effect that these have on your blood glucose levels.

Buy yourself a carb counter book (you can get these on-line) and you will be able to work out how much carbs you are eating, when you test, the reading two hours after should be roughly the same as the before eating reading, if it is then that meal was fine, if it isn’t then you need to check what you have eaten and think about reducing the portion size of carbs.

When you are buying products check the total carbohydrate content, this includes the sugar content. Do not just go by the amount of sugar on the packaging as this is misleading to a diabetic.


As for a tester, try asking the nurse/doctor and explain that you want to be proactive in managing your own diabetes and therefore need to test so that you can see just how foods affect your blood sugar levels. Hopefully this will work ! Sometimes they are not keen to give Type 2’s the strips on prescription, (in the UK) but you can but try!!

For TIPS FOR STRIPS see here:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=19002#p173253

If you are an Insulin user in theory you should have no problem getting test strips.

The latest 2011 NICE guidelines for Bg levels are as follows:
Fasting (waking and before meals).......between 4 - 7 mmol/l...(Type 1 & 2)
2 hrs after meals........................no more than 8.5 mmol/l.....( Type 2)

2hrs after meals......................... no more than 9 mmol/l ......(Type 1)

If you are able to keep the post meal numbers lower, so much the better.

It also helps if you can do at least 30 minutes moderate exercise a day, it can be split into 10 min sessions to start with. It doesn't have to be strenuous.

The above is just general advice and it is recommended that you discuss with your HCP before making any changes. You can also ask questions on the forum on anything that is not clear.

Finally a few QUESTIONS TO ASK AT DIABETES CLINIC.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=17091



Sue/Ken.
 

totsy

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hya galgal,
welcome to the forum :D
 

galgal

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Thanks Daisy Sue Ken and Totsy

I have been told to eat six small portions of starchy food per day, i.e. pasta, potato, cereal, wholemeal etc and five portions of fruit at least, Hardly any "fat" i.e. butter, mayo ( just one small portion per day), and hardly any protein i.e. handful nuts and 30 g lean meat, and three portions of dairy, as in skim milk or non fat yoghurt. I was told porridge was good. However on the US website it seems porridge is poison, and I should be eating loads of bacon and eggs, etc. I am in Ireland - having been on this brown food diet (as I call it), I find it has balanced me blood sugar wise - I am between 5 - 7 every day now which is not too bad (i think!). As I started off at 16. However, I am now stuck in a rut eating the same maybe five foods for the last three weeks which won't work longterm. Can I just ask one silly question tho - is porridge good or bad?
 

viviennem

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Hi Galgal

I'm afraid there's only one silly answer - it depends!

Some people can eat porridge, some people can't. A lot depends on portion size - but if your blood sugar is within your target range 2 hours after you've eaten it, then you're okay with it. For Type 2s, the targets are 4 - 7 mmol/l before meals, and less than 8.5 2 hours after.

I'm a low-carber, so I'm aiming for about 50g of carb per day, and I don't cut down on fat. This works for me, but other people use your type of diet and get on okay with it. I'm sure someone who eats your way will be along to give you more advice.

I eat 2 eggs for breakfast every day, as an omelette, maybe with bacon or cheese or mushrooms. Maybe you could have a boiled egg with a slice of (wholemeal) bread for breakfast as a change?

I also eat lots of salad, with poultry or fish or cold meat, for lunch. Again, easy to add some carbohydrate to that.

The same protein for supper, with hot veggies - maybe + 1 small new potato for you?

For me, and in my personal opinion, your diet would be a bit low in protein and fat, but I am not a qualified dietitian and my opinion is therefore personal only. I don't know your personal circumstances - maybe the diet has been tailored specifically for you. We have some qualified dietitians among the members here, and I'm sure someone will be along eventualy who can help you better than I can.

Viv 8)
 

hallii

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Hello galagal. when I was diagnosed some nearly 9 years ago I was also given the same diet as you, and to be fair I managed to get my Blood Glucose under control by sticking with it and also the excercise.

The problem is, T2 is a progressive disorder, and slowly but surely it will get more difficult to keep your BGs down. Now you can keep your Bgs down for a very long time by sticking to what is working for you, but be aware that at some point, sooner or later, you will begin to struggle with keeping the BGs down.

I managed for 8 years but eventually the suggested diet was just not working for me, BGs rose to a level where I was told to go on Metformin. Before I did I tried the low carb diet (search on here) and my BGs dropped to almost normal levels (HbA1c 5.2% from over 7%) and my 2 hours after meals readings dropped to less than 7.

My DSN still put me on Metformin, there is medical opinion that suggests that starting it early rather than later will give a much better result. Latest HbA1c was 5%.

Sorry about the life history but maybe it gives you some insight into how things work.
To much carbohydrate (buy a carbs book from Amazon) will keep your BGs up, maybe to high, low carbs will bring your BGs down. If your BGs are OK on your existing diet then it works for you. But I would suggest that you aim to reduce your BGs to as near as normal (Google it!) as you can, the best way to do this is by reducing your carbs, excercise and keeping a close eye on how your body responds to what you eat. Buy or beg a meter, the manufacturers will often send you one for free, and test around meals, you will soon get the idea.

Viv just pipped me to the post!

H
 
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Hi galagal and a warm welcome to the forum.

The progression of diabetes varies in individuals and there are no hard and fast rules or timelines as to when this will start. You seem to be doing very well so far. :D
If your diet is getting boring then I suggest that you introduce some new foods that you like and test as to what they do to you personally. This is going to be a way of life and you need a sensible eating plan that you enjoy.

As for the porridge question, some can eat it and some cannot. We are all different when it comes to our response to certain foods.

Have a read through this thread where people relate their experiences with porridge,
viewtopic.php?f=25&t=20122