Hunger

[Paul_]

This is always hunger.
When I first began glargine I had not heard of fasting. But my legs started hurting and extreme hunger began. I blame the glargine because it goes away. If I stop using it.
I'm still hungry but it's not extreme and food resolves it.

Have you tried playing around with macro ratios for protein and fat, seeing if upping intake of one or the other helps?

Appreciate this is likely caused by medication so maybe that won't work for your situation, but on keto levels of carb intake I've had to adjust fat and protein levels a few times now to balance out hunger as various other factors change. I've also increased fibre intake too, which although not easy on keto, has helped.

 

[Deleted member 208503]

Have you tried playing around with macro ratios for protein and fat, seeing if upping intake of one or the other helps?

Appreciate this is likely caused by medication so maybe that won't work for your situation, but on keto levels of carb intake I've had to adjust fat and protein levels a few times now to balance out hunger as various other factors change. I've also increased fibre intake too, which although not easy on keto, has helped.

I haven't tried that.
Can mineral oil be used for fibre?

 

[BarbaraG]

What is glargine? And rybelsus?

 

[BarbaraG]

When you do low carb, you get a lot of calories from fat. As long as it’s minimally processed (so not highly processed seed oils or trans fats) then it’s fine. I use mainly olive oil and butter.

Fat carries flavour and is highly satiating.

 

[Deleted member 208503]

So not feeling well.
I can't figure out the ryebelsus and insulin amounts of food. For example the insulin makes me very hungry but the ryebelsus bloats me. So I try to eat to stop the insulin hunger but then am too full and bloated. I can't get the balance right.
Way way too full after eating but yet still very hungry.
Then I don't feel well.

 

[Case_]

Apart from following what is now usually called intermittent fasting for several years (and I do need to get back to it now, I stopped because it didn't work well with my medication at the time), I also did week-long fasts on multiple points in my life - not for any real reason apart from "I wonder if I could (still) do it" (and yes, it's kinda dumb and I wouldn't really recommend anyone doing such relatively long fasts on their own, but...yeah). Each time I did it I was surprised how little hunger I felt near the end, and even the first few days, which are always the hardest, were way easier than I thought they would be.

 

[Deleted member 527103]

It's great that there are quite a few people on here saying that they do not experience hunger.
However, we seem to forget that we are all different. Just because Jane feels no hunger, needs a certain amount of food, take a specific medication, ... does not mean it will work for Tom.

Sadly, I do not have the answer for @cdpm but I am starting to wonder the value of the "I feel fine fasting for 18 hours, 24 hours, a week, ... " responses.
There are medical conditions such as polyphagia when someone never feels full. It is horrible for those who suffer from it and reading "I am alright, mate" is not helpful. I am not saying this is the case her but maybe some more sympathy/empathy maybe more helpful.

 

[Outlier]

I'm certainly one who gets very hungry, and I don't have a medical condition at all. Intermittent fasting suits me, but I don't endure once I get hungry - I eat. That can be for me an average of 16 hours between meals, often 20, occasionally longer. Depends on the system on the day.

 

[danicatrainestapp]

Does anyone completely
Lose their hunger when fasting?
And for how long before this happens?
I've read that it takes 2-3 days.

Hi!

Yep, some folks find that they lose their hunger when they fast for a while. It's kinda different for everyone, but a lot of people say it kicks in around 2-3 days into fasting.

When you fast, your body starts using stored fat for energy, which can dial down those hunger pangs. Just remember to drink plenty of water and pay attention to how your body feels. And if you're planning on fasting for a longer stretch, it's a good idea to make sure you're getting all the nutrients you need when you do eat. Always best to chat with a healthcare pro before diving into any fasting routine!

 

[Deleted member 208503]

What is glargine? And rybelsus?

Glargine is a basal insulin going by different names such as Lantus, basaglar, toujeo.
Rybelsus is the oral pill form of the injectable Ozempic.

 

[Deleted member 208503]

I know keto and low carb does help alot of people but when I had more food funds I seriously tried keto.
It didn't help. For lowering bs or hunger.

 

[Deleted member 208503]

What can be done then?
Does the diabetes hunger ever reduce at least to reasonable levels?
Since lower carb and keto didn't do it, what might?
(In a better eating situation then I am currently in).

Do I really need to find an outside way of how much to eat (calorie controlled plan) as a guide?
I'm not sure of using a scale to tell this as weight can fluctuate daily up to 5 pounds and down.
My digestive issues have greatly improved since switching insulins so I may be able to eat more frequently.

 

[Resurgam]

@cdpm - I was going to try to advise but we are so different even though we are both type 2.
I have no medication at all for the diabetes - I take Thyroxine for the flagging thyroid function, I am never hungry, eat twice a day and keep to low carb, no restriction on calories as it seems that is not necessarily good for me, I don't weigh myself at all and my digestion seems to be able to cope better than most.
I used a meter to find out how to eat and stay under 8mmol/l at the 2 hour point after meals - that seemed to be all it took. I stayed eating those same meals and saw the numbers go down to under 7, no problem.
When you can see things improving then it helps a lot - hopefully there will be something you discover which will hep you in the same way, but we are all individual and the slight differences seem to mean slightly different choices need to be made.

 

[Lamont D]

There is a theory, that producing too much insulin in some, is the brain's response to too much circulating insulin, that is because of insulin resistance and first and second phase insulin response.
Are you still producing some of any insulin as a T2 @cdpm?

 

[Deleted member 208503]

There is a theory, that producing too much insulin in some, is the brain's response to too much circulating insulin, that is because of insulin resistance and first and second phase insulin response.
Are you still producing some of any insulin as a T2 @cdpm?

I'm not sure. No one has ever tested this to my knowledge.

 

[Lamont D]

I'm not sure. No one has ever tested this to my knowledge.

No c-peptide test?
On what basis are you insulin.
Was it because of high BG levels?

 

[Deleted member 208503]

No c-peptide test?
On what basis are you insulin.
Was it because of high BG levels?

I understand it's because many meds were tried and I had such bad reactions that they felt I should go on insulin.
Do I ask for a c- peptide test?

 

[Lamont D]

I take it that you should have had antibodies test, in case you were T1.
And if the doctors have, in a full blood panel test, c-peptide and a GAD test should have been done also.
Or am I missing something else?

 

[Melgar]

If you don’t mind me asking how long have you been diabetic @cdpm ? Sorry if you have already told us.