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IBS and Diabetes

philsmudge

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Type of diabetes
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Tablets (oral)
I'm a type 2 diabetic and was diagnosed 5 years ago. I take metformin and Saxagliptin and my control is reasonable.

However I've got IBS which does seem to complicate things considerably. I seem to have problems with complex carbohydrates which although release sugar more slowly are much more likely to irritate my stomach.

I've spoken to my doctor but he shrugs his shoulders and basically says I may have to compromise on my sugar control to keep my IBS in check.

Has anybody had a similar problem and how are they dealing with it?

Phil
 
I've found my IBS has actually improved since my diagnosis, but I try to low carb (not always successfully) guess I'm just one of the lucky ones
 
An afterthought - did you develop IBS symptoms after or before you started taking Metformin? It can cause huge GI issues for some people
 
Hi and welcome. I have T2 and IBS. Mine is IBS-C (tending towards constipation more than diarrhoea). Does your IBS tend towards one of these or is it a mix of both? There is medication for IBS-D that regulates the muscle contractions. IBS-C is treated with lifestyle changes, fibre, and sometimes laxatives.

I disagree with your doctor - you don't have to compromise on sugar control and it would be dangerous to do so, because high BGs over time lead to diabetic complications.

There are quite a few of us here with IBS so I think you will gets lots of ideas that may help. On the diabetes side of things, @daisy1 will be along shortly with your welcome pack of information about managing diabetes.
 
Before I was diagnosed, but it can't be helping. Take 2000 mgs after meal. It is slow release tho.
 
Hi,To be honest it's a bit of both, it's mostly D but if I eat boiled potatoes, pasta, rice then it becomes C. Also have problems with some fruit,apples and bananas. I eat a lot of fish, chicken but it's filing up so I don't get tempted to snack which is the problem, eat small portions of chips which are okay but boiled potatoes cause problems. All a bit bizarre really and makes my diet incredibly bland
 
@philsmudge

Hello Phil and welcome to the forum As suggested above, cutting down on the carbs could help you. Here is the information we give to new members which could help you with a lot of advice on carbs. Ask more questions and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
When you say your BG control is reasonable, what sort of levels are we talking about, ie HbA1c and fasting BG?

Most of us would not be able to control our BGs if we ate potatoes, pasta, rice, bananas, and chips. I acknowledge your meds may be helping, but you may find a lower carb diet helps both your diabetes and your IBS, and could lead to you needing less medication for diabetes.

Have you been referred to a gastroenterologist? I have found that very helpful in managing my upper and lower gut issues.
 
My last HbA1c was 48(6.5%)and my fasting BG is between 6.1 and 7.5. I'm 48 years old and my BMI is 23.4. When I said reasonable I should probably qualify this by saying my levels 18 months ago were far worse. Perhaps I should be referred as my mum suffers from IBS as well(but not diabetes) and has had further investigations. I'll have a look at this FODMAP diet as whole grain bread for example affects my stomach but white bread doesn't. Thanks for the advice, unfortunately doctors don't seem to realise that diabetes affects different people differently
 
Well done on reducing your levels Hopefully as you improve things on the IBS front that should help you get your BGs lower still. I think carbs might be an area to look at closely.
 
Wooooo-hooooo! Just had a brainwave and did a search on Youtube - found a playlist of videos by Dr Pimentel


 
that's interesting the FODMAP diet has been mentioned here as when I was put on this diet by the gastroenterologist my diabetes management was hell. I had so many hypos on that diet. I have multiple conditions though and diabetes is just one of them. I also have IBS but I have combination and not just one side. If I increase my fat intake that upsets my IBS big time and I wind up with IBS-D and then trying to get out the door to get to work but getting stuck on the loo. Sometimes I have to turn my car around and come back home if I can't find a toilet as well. My diet is tricky because I have also eliminated a lot of foods because of interstitial cystitis. What I find is what is good for one condition isn't good for another. But if you can do the low FODMAP it would be great to follow. But if you're like me... I had to see my dietitian, my GP, and my gastroenterologist. My dietitian (after she spoke with my endocrinologist about my case) wrote a letter to my gastroenterologist requesting he take me off the diet immediately. My gastroenterologist at the time agreed because as it turns out the low FODMAP diet did buckleys for my symptoms I have. No wonder, as it turns out I don't have food intolerance... I have motility problems with my GI tract. But nice to see there are few on this site with ibs at least. Oh and I just want to add that my ibs has been a lot worse ever since I was put on metformin. I didn't tolerate metformin and I was always in a lot of pain and nauseated. The docs kept me on that drug for about 5 years with all different combinations and doses along with other oral drugs and to no avail. I have to say my stomach has never ever been the same. I am suspicious about the origins of all my GI issues... perhaps the metformin just triggered it all for me. Although I did have a few gastro bugs end of 2007 but I was on metformin then as well. Sorry probably gone a bit off track... a bit tired. But anyhow I hope you do find a diet that works to make everything manageable... you can only try.
 
Wooooo-hooooo! Just had a brainwave and did a search on Youtube - found a playlist of videos by Dr Pimentel


oh cool... just noticed you're from West Australia - I'm a sandgroper as well.
 
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