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I've become a low carb binger..

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by Lovejoy00, Feb 25, 2018.

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  1. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    still no links to scientific or even unscientific evidence for this idea that if i eat too much fat i wont put on weight. I am not going to risk gaining weight on the say so of a link to three videos which appear to be unrelated to the actual question.

    I consider it right to be skeptical without any clear evidence being produced.
     
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  2. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    So, we just waste away or something?
    Or do we have some sort of magic thing to make us stop excreting.
    'Cos I know I look bad skinny, but I look bad overweight too.
    If I could eat anything like your unlimited peperami diet, and pick my weight, I'll pay you for the diet.
     
  3. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    what level of carb intake are people talking about in order to become fat adapted?
     
  4. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Lol snake oil diet, literally I think.
     
  5. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    OMG.......are we......Agreeing??????????

    (faints)
     
  6. SockFiddler

    SockFiddler Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but it's late on a Sunday and there's lots and lots of info about it on the forum already. I'll look tomorrow, when I have more time (and brain power), but (with affection) the dedicated skeptic looks to disprove objectionable ideas themselves :)

    And those 3 vids were just so people could hear the guy talking about things generally. Not specifically related to the issue in hand. Sorry I didn't make that clear when posting.

    And no, @jcbman we don't just waste away - we continually feed our bodies protein and fat. We're far from starving, but we're also not eating fat AND carbs AND protein anymore: we've picked our macronutrient and laying down the law to our metabolisms.

    And it wasn't an "unlimited Peperami diet", it was the first week of LCHF. That I did make clear :)
     
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  7. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Nah
    You boasted you ate 30 peperamis in a week.
    You never said it was the first week, you never said you cut down in the second week.

    And that's the problem.
    It's not a bottomless trough diet.

    Been there, done that, got diabetes.
     
  8. Dr Snoddy

    Dr Snoddy Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Subcutaneous or visceral fat cannot be excreted. If this were in any way true the weight loss industry would have seized upon this gleefully. If stored fat was fully metabolized then the byproducts like water and carbon dioxide would be excreted. It is very misleading to think that excess fat can be excreted.
     
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  9. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Well, considering some of my mates, no, I won't go there, I'm already getting flack on here lol.
     
  10. SockFiddler

    SockFiddler Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    The diet industry doesn't want anyone to actually lose weight in the long-term. They like repeat visitors who enjoy results after 12 weeks, imagine they're "cured" and then wander back to their "normal" lives, regain all that weight and then return because summer's on the way and it worked so well last time.

    And anyway. It's working for me and many others. People are free to agree or disagree, but all I'd say is try it for 12 weeks (give yourself 4 weeks to get off carbs, 4 weeks to get used to it and start seeing results and 4 weeks to make sure it wasn't a fluke). I know what eating carbs my whole life has done for me. And I've seen what cutting back on them has returned. Regardless of whether my layman grasp of science is able to explain it in peer-reviewed study terms or not, I'm comfortable with my choices and feel able to support others making similar choices.

    I sorta feel we're bickering for the sake's of it at this point. If you're skeptical and don't believe it, then look for evidence either way or write it off all together. Either way, enjoy your food, eat without guilt and have a good start to your week :)
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    SockFiddler Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Fat adapted and ketogenic do not mean the same thing: you can be one without the other.

    Just a small point (already covered by something I posted).
     
  13. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    I think you are missing the point.

    No-one is arguing that eating high amounts of carbs is a good thing. We are discussing these assertions:

    and this one:

    from @Guzzler
     
  14. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Well confused.
    Top lad, the diet doctor, from google
    On a ketogenic diet, your entire body switches its fuel supply to run almost entirely on fat

    Are you saying he's missed the point?
     
  15. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Scary night.
    Even I reckon high carbs are a bad thing!
     
  16. SockFiddler

    SockFiddler Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    has anyone said they are?

    I think we have just been discussing fat adaption and what happens to the fat we eat, and what happens if we eat more fat than our bodies need.
     
  18. SockFiddler

    SockFiddler Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    You posted a study about ketosis and fat intake.
     
  19. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ok,

    are we saying, if the body burns fat, if you don't eat enough fat, you burn the fat off your gut.

    But if you eat too much fat, you stop burning your bodies fat, but, (delicate like) the excess fat you are eating doesn't 'stick' but gets excreted'?
     
  20. lucylocket61

    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    http://www.tuitnutrition.com/2015/11/why-not-losing-weight-1.html



    I rest my case, m'lud
     
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