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I've become a low carb binger..

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by Lovejoy00, Feb 25, 2018.

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  1. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    It is not usually output in the form that it went in. It does get absorbed by fibrous diet ingredients but is not a major fatberg. There are slimming products such as XLS and others that accentuate this function, but it is important to regard fat in different forms.

    Firstly as dietary fat that gets broken down in the lower bowel and either absorbed or excreted- it ceases to be fat s we know it but as simpler bi-products of the breakdown process that are only partially prepared for use in the body,

    Then there is choleterol born lipids and triglycerides that get either used for energy, or stored by the action of insulin in the liver and adipose tissue in the lower torso.

    Then there is fat stored in the liver, pancreas etc.
    This is the fat that weight loss diets try to address, and is the hardest to shift.

    This is the fat that low bgl levels cause to be used as fuel instead of glucose. This fat needs to be converted to lipids in the blood when taken out of storage, and bundled up into cholesterol such as chylomicrons, VLDL, LDL and sLDL, This fat is either used as fuel or returned to the liver for either recycling, or excretion via the bile duct as waste. It has to be filtered out by the gall bladder.

    So the discussion so far has oversimplified the term FAT. It is dealt with by the metabolic system, then as cholesterol in the hepatic system, then dealt with by the insulin storage process, then unbundled for use when needed in the Endocrine system, then removed from the body by the lungs, the kidneys, the bile duct, the bladder and lower bowel. At each stage there is a set of hormones and enzymes responsible for regulating their particular stage in the process, and at each stage there is the potential for faults and damage to occur. Like I say, it is not just FAT. The conversion at each stage is regulated so in an ideal body the systems handle fat in purrfect harmony, but life is never that easy.

    In closing, not all fat ingested is used for energy. not all the excess fat is stored as unsightly body handles and bumps. But modern lifestyles, eating habits and sedentary low activity all conspire to overwhelm the body which malfunctions
     
  2. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    So, the op is eating too much fat, (cheese) and not losing weight, 'cos the fat is being making them not lose weight.
    Ok
     
  3. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    For the first time in this discussion I find myself in agreement with you. Yes, if you study the LCHF diet plan then indeed one increases fat to maintain or gain weight, and reduce the fat to encourage weight loss. It is the secondary control function in the diet plan where carb intake controls bgl almost directly, and fat controls energy levels and saiety when in keto mode, and controls weight gain/loss as a longer term goal. It is possible to use protein to gain weight, but as protein becomes glucose (where fat does not ) then the control of bgl levels becomes harder. This is why fat is more often advised when in LCHF. Other keto diets such as Atkins have their own methods.

    I use this method for weight control, and I share my journey over the last 3 years when I switched to an LC diet. I find 67 kg to be my most comfortable target value. I am no longer using LCHF or keto myself, but I apply the same principles to my current lifestyle.
     

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    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    You can't always argue just because you feel you need to lol.
     
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    Russell52 Type 2 · Member

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    Been doing s low carb diet for 3 months now. 3 crumpets with lurpak in morning. Turkey breast and pork steak in evening with some vegetables. Eat cheese at night. Surprisingly managing to hold weigh at moment at 10 stone 8 ( I'm male 5ft 8 talk). I am beginning to believe carbs are much more of an issue for weight gain. I was 13 stone 10
     
  6. Angelofthemarches

    Angelofthemarches Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I have type 2 and cfs as well, and am a low carber addressing bingeing!
     
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    Your diet should help you achieve good blood sugar levels and also loose weight (provided you are overweight in the first place)
    You are on right track to replace all those carbs.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    The rest of the thread got a bit distracted.
    How low carb are you aiming for? And how were you eating before you started making these changes.
    You have probably lost a bit of water weight after cutting carbs but to be honest two weeks is not a long time in weight loss terms. You say you have been "over eating" fats but haven't gained any weight? Sounds good to me. You should find over time that your overall food consumption should go down as you start to feel satiated after eating fat. It may take a little time as your body changes from burning carb energy to utilising your fat. For the first month or so I wouldn't worry too much about calories just keep carbs as low as possible. Keep up your protein and use fat to fill you up so you aren't hungry.
    As you say you are getting good blood sugar levels which is what you should be aiming for especially in the early days.
     
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    My priority is healthy blood sugar, the weight loss was an added bonus and I find it is easier for me to lose weight when I have lower blood sugar levels.

    Don't worry about what you feel is over eating fat to start with. My experience was that it does reduce after a while and that this is just a stage of part habit and part your body protesting against the reduction of sugar and carbs.
     
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    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    Can you point us in the direction of information that supports the excretion of excess fat? I found this and it does not support your assertion: http://rejoovwellness.com/1143/
     
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    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    You cannot just make grandiose assertions that can affect people’s health if you have no evidence to back them up. That is reckless behaviour.
     
  12. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It seems to be if you overeat, you can crack on you can over eat fat, and not losing weight isn't your fault?
    And if you can drag the world into the pit with you, it proves you right?
    Well, unless it was a carb, because they make you do it?

    Me, if I put it in my mouth, it'll make me fat, and it wasn't the fault of the food, it was my fault for putting it in there.

    That's me though, no offence to anyone like.

    And I reckon I've never poohed fat straight out.
     
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    I agree, stick to the macros- high fat, moderate protein and low carb and eventually the weight will move. Blood glucose is priority #1.
     
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    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    You have not really addressed the issue under discussion at this point i.e. whether fat that is in excess of the body’s energy needs gets stored or excreted.
     
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    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    Indeed. Floating faeces are usually a sign of eating dietary fibre!
     
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    Well as we know that eating fat does not make you fat then if it is not used for energy it must go somewhere so I would guess at excreted unless you have proof of some other mechanism.
     
  17. Osidge

    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    Excess fat not needed for energy is stored. The products mentioned are the products of using fat not storing it.
     
  18. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    No, they're always the sign of the bloke that went in there before you!!!
     
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  19. Osidge

    Osidge Type 2 · Well-Known Member
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    The proof has already been posted that fat that is not needed for energy is stored in adipose tissue. It cannot be excreted as it is absorbed into the liver and then the bloodstream. From there it is either used or stored.
     
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  20. jcbman

    jcbman I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    ROFL

    You know it maybe, I'm a chubber on excess fat.
    You may be slim, I'm not.

    Excess fat doesn't pass through me, dream food doesn't exist for me I'm afraid.

    I get fat for a reason, my mouth is bigger than my a*******
     
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