Newbie Type 2 Diabetic (just found out)

BioHaZarD

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Hi all

I found out Wednesday that I am Type 2, Blood sugar level 16 after fasting. Had it for around 6 months according to the findings. I have been put on Metformin 1 per day for 7 days then 2 per day. I am hoping to control it by diet as I don't want to continue taking pills.

I am seeing the diabetic nurse next week, so will know more then.

Scot
 

daisy1

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Hi Scot and welcome to the forum :)
Here is some information that should help you to lower your levels, which includes information on diet. Ask as many questions as you need to as there is always someone here to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS


Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find well over 30,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes ... rains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips
The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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Please sign our e-petition for free testing for all type 2's; here's the link:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/petition/

Do get your friends and colleagues to sign as well.
 

Apple Blossom

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Hi Scot, this is exactly the situation I am in - found out 6 days earlier than you, same blood sugar reading, same treatment prescribed.
I found that the Metformin helped me immediately, particularly with the exhaustion and I have put myself on a low carb, lowish fat diet although I'm still trying to work out what I can & can't eat and am in the very early stages. I've also started regular exercise and am trying to keep as positive as a can, but it was a huge shock.

All the best & take good care of yourself.
Jackie.
 

BioHaZarD

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Hi Jackie

I only started Metformin this morning, i was only feeling run down no other symptoms, then I got oral thrush and the drops I was given did nothing, then I had blood test.

It runs in my family though, mum had it, dad had it and my brothers got it, so unfortunately it was pretty much on the cards I think (though my sweet tooth did not help).

I used to do slimming world which was low carbs low/no sugar diet/lifestyle. So will do this again slightly modified.

You take care too, keep in touch, as it's good to know someone who is at same level and time.

Scot
 

SandrafromOZ

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Hi Scot and Jackie!

I am also a newbie as well, only been diagnosed at end of March..getting there slowly, learning a little bit more everyday and not feeling as scared as a month ago.

My blood sugar fasting on diagnosis was also close to yours Scot at 15.3...I currently have readings from between 4.3 and 8.5 with the odd spike here and there as still learning what I can and can not eat.

Yes it is a huge shock, I am just taking one day at a time, and I plan to be around for many, many years to come.

Feel free to inbox I love chatting to others, it helps me.

Kind regards

Sandra
 

xyzzy

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Hello Scot and Jackie and welcome to the forum.

Thought I'd give you some stuff that has worked for me and got my blood sugar levels back to normal within around a couple of months or so. Not a cure as I still have to be VERY careful what I eat. I am really happy that I have minimised the risk of all those nasty complications. I was diagnosed in early December 2011 so just a few months ago. Since then I have now lost 3 stone (20Kg) in weight and for the first time in years my cholesterol and blood pressure are back in a normal healthy range as well. I went to see my doctor this week and he is very pleased with how I am progressing and has advised me to keep doing exactly what I have been doing since its working really well. I started out with readings in the 20's so higher than both of you!

Diet wise its really easy. Just drastically cut down or better cut out all things with plain sugar, so biscuits, cakes, sugar in tea and coffee, pure fruit juices, non diet versions of soft drinks. Next try halving starchy foods like rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, cereals and any other flour based products. Replace what's now missing with extra meat, fish, eggs, cheese and especially vegetables. Vegetables that grow above ground are best although most of us find carrots fine. Things like yoghurt are fine as is a small amount of fresh fruit. I find the ones that end in "berry" are the best. If you don't mind artificial sweeteners things like Diet Coke are fine to drink. On the starchy foods that are left swap try brown basmati rice instead of white and brown or tri-colour pasta. The bread that most recommend is actually Bergen soya bread but some do ok with wholemeal as well.

The above diet is close to one you would be one recommended to try by the Swedish Health service. It was introduced in that country last year and the American health service and several other countries health services recommend something very similar. You may find it conflicts with advice given to you in this country as we have yet to update and still use older dietary recommendations. In fact we use diet guidelines that are over 30 years old. If you want to read more about these latest methods there is a thread discussing it with some useful links here http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=28402.

Next most members would recommend you test your own blood sugar levels. Did your doctor or nurse give you a meter and strips? Some do and some don't. It's a bit of a post code lottery and we find some progressive surgeries are pro testing and others anti. I'll warn you the anti ones can sometimes be very vocally anti!

The reason testing is important is you should try and keep your blood sugars below 8ish two hours after eating any meal. Above the 8 value is where the dangers of complications do begin to occur according to diabetic experts. So if you can't test how will you now if what you are eating is keeping you safe? The problem is every diabetic is different so my earlier advice to halve starchy foods is just a rough guide. You may find you need to eat less than half (like me) or that you can eat more than half like others.

As you get into it all and read around the forum you may see people talking about carb counting. If you want to understand what that is just ask. It is a powerful weapon that a diabetic can use to control their condition and one that many of us use to great effect.

Good luck and keep asking questions.

Regards

Steve

PS Here's two good links about what's good to eat.

First is the lady doctor who's low carb / low GI recommendations seem to form the basis of what's recommended in Sweden

http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannik ... rograme_in

Second is a good beginners guide to low carb regimes

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
 

BioHaZarD

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Hi Steve

Thanks that very usefull, the more I look at foods it lends itself very well to slimmingworld with a few adjustments. E.g. Fruits and pasta/rice potatos etc. so I think I will be able to do it hopefully with a lot of BG testing to work out what's good or not.

Cheers

Scot
 

BioHaZarD

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SandrafromOZ said:
Hi Scot and Jackie!

I am also a newbie as well, only been diagnosed at end of March..getting there slowly, learning a little bit more everyday and not feeling as scared as a month ago.

My blood sugar fasting on diagnosis was also close to yours Scot at 15.3...I currently have readings from between 4.3 and 8.5 with the odd spike here and there as still learning what I can and can not eat.

Yes it is a huge shock, I am just taking one day at a time, and I plan to be around for many, many years to come.

Feel free to inbox I love chatting to others, it helps me.

Kind regards

Sandra

Hi Sandra

That's great, hopefully I can achieve this too. It runs in the family, so I am not really shocked, maybe it will affect me mentally at a later stage as of now I am just here's towards sorting it out.

Scot
 

Blondage

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Just over a week ago I found out I have type 2 diabetes . Earliest appointment to attend diabetic nurse clinic at my surgery is 21 may . I am rolling the dietary recommendations but nights are still hell. Hot flushes trips to the loo and comstant thirst. Feel exhausted all the time. I had my gtt tests results as follows 6.2 fasting 14 plus 2 hours later. Is this incredibly high or what? I had been very keen to try a 6 month diet regime before method alternative but wondering if I would be better having help so I can at least feel able to do my job and be a mum. Right now all I want to do is sleep. Any words of wisdom much appreciated
 

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Hi Blondage

Having high BS (blood sugar) levels will make you feel tired. You may or may not get the best dietary advice from your nurse, so take the advice on here about cutting carbs.

Some simple rules include - if the food is white, reduce it drastically - this includes potatoes, rice, pasta, bread and cakes but doesn't include cauliflower. Eat lots of veg, but be wary if it grows below ground (raw carrots can be fine). Eat fruit in moderation (names ending in berry are good, bananas and grapes are usually a no). This is a good website to give you an idea what to eat http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf (but don't worry about it saying high fat).

If once your BS levels are down and you still feel tired, you will need to find out if it is something else causing this such as anaemia, Vitamin D deficiency, Vitamin B12 deficiency or an underactive thyroid.