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Overweight and Type 2 Diabetes

Discussion in 'Type 2 Diabetes' started by rogervansteeden, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. rogervansteeden

    rogervansteeden · Well-Known Member

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    I was watching (Half cut woman) this evening the lady who was 17stone then she had liposuction and had large areas of surplus skin removed and now is is 70 pounds lighter and her blood sugars have gone back to normal her diabetes has gone away does this mean if we all lost our excess weight our blood sugars would be normal and our diabetes would go away.
     
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    cugila · Master

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    Hi RVS.

    Losing any weight can help to get the Bg numbers down. I lost 4 stone and my Bg numbers were substantially reduced to near normal levels. I am still a Diabetic though, it's what happens after you eat and how quickly the numbers return to normal.

    It also depends on what you mean by normal, ....non diabetic numbers or just well controlled Diabetic numbers which are also normal ?
     
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    rogervansteeden · Well-Known Member

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    Ive just had my diabetes eye check and there is background retinopathy which they are going to monitor every year
     
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    scobbiea · Newbie

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    I find chitosan works really for diet loss. It is much more user friendy than Orlistat
    Andrew
     
  5. rogervansteeden

    rogervansteeden · Well-Known Member

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    I have just taken my blood sugar at 11 pm and it was 19.0 this could be the reason for the background retinopathy i eat proper meals but i do have a tendency to eat a lot of mars bars and Twixes,and i dont limit anything anymore oops.
     
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    rogervansteeden · Well-Known Member

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    I nowc have a reading of 21.1 mmols at 12.40am and have not had any sugary foods today i am on Pioglitazone 30mg what is going wrong.
     
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    Are you only on Pioglitzaone ? Its an unusual choice on its own normally its used in conjunction with another anti diabetic drug. As for your question it really depends on what you have eaten blood sugar is reliant on all the carbohydrates you have eaten and some prepared foods contain sugar even though we might not think of it as a sugary food. The numbers you are running though put you at risk of ketaosis if you are reguarly getting results this high you really need to speak to your doctor as a matter of urgency and get a referal to a specialist called an endocrinologist or sometimes called a diabetologist.
     
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    rogervansteeden · Well-Known Member

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    I was on Metformin 1500mg and then 1750 mg but even though i was taking them with food i was having terrible stomach upsets and using the bathroom 8 or 9 times a day ,enough said so i asked to go back on pioglitazone but my doctor said if i have high blood sugars (we wouldnt do anything)his exact words.He said that my hb1ac were ok so i thought well he knows best so i didnt question his advice.
     
  9. hanadr

    hanadr · Expert

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    Hi RVS
    Mars bars and Twixes will do it every time.
    Your blood glucose number is a function of a number of things,
    1 THe amount of carbohydrate you've eaten
    2 How long go you ate
    3 How much exercise you've done
    4 your blood volume
    5 the efficiency of your digestion
    6 your medication
    7 your level of hydration [links to number 4]
    8 the function(or not) of your pancreas
    9 how cold you are
    and probably afew others, which I've forgotten
    It's pretty complex and you can see which of those you can do something about.
     
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    Bel_B Type 2 · Member

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    Excuse my dimness (possibly) but if you are getting readings of 19 and over, I can't imagine that your hb1ac level is ok....unless you are having infrequent extreme spikes, which alone are very damaging anyway
     
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    rogervansteeden · Well-Known Member

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    Ok i have just taken my reading at 10.19pm and it is 13.3mmol and my dinner was at 2.30 pm spaghetti bolognese followed by sandwich at 8.00 pm thats all i have had today,it will be interesting when i take my fasting test in the morning.
     
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    Your reading is high but depending on the sandwich understandable if its made with white or wholemeal bread. Its exactly the sort of reading I would have expected before I was prescribed byetta.
     
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    hanadr · Expert

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    Spaghetti and a sandwich! :shock:
    If I ate that, my BG would be sky high too
    Hana
     
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    Patch Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Pasta is the Devils own food. A nice bit of carbonara and some garlic bread is a sure fire way for this cat to get an early night! :twisted:
     
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    OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH, garlic bread, dripping with golden salt butter, :( :( :( never to pass these teeth again????
     
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    Hi - I suggest that now might be a good time to get your blood glucose levels under control. Why not start with cutting out the Mars and Twix bars?

    Best wishes - John
     
  17. staying positive

    staying positive Type 2 · Active Member

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    AN AMAZING ACHIEVEMENT to lose 4 stones- how long did this take? Were you on less than 1000 cals a day? Did you do exercise as well? Fantastic achievement on low carb low fat id guess or moderate fat anyhow
     
  18. Brunneria

    Brunneria Other · Guru
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    Yes, losing weight (by whatever means) may cause type 2 diabetics to 'reverse their diabetes'. That is why the Newcastle diet is getting so much press.

    Of course, it won't happen for everyone. Nothing works for everyone. It all depends on the cause of the persons diabetes.

    'Reversing diabetes' is not a cure though. If the weight goes back on, or the person eats a high carb diet, or their insulin production reduces further, or... Then their diabetic symptoms may/will return.

    However, the slimmer a person is, the further their insulin goes (goes back to @hanadr 's list, above) because it isn't diluted by a large body. Also, the more fat a person has, the more insulin resistance they are likely tho have.
     
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    staying positive Type 2 · Active Member

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    Were you in this position Brunneria would you eat more carbs ( not high carbs but say a piece of cake or a few sandwiches or slice of jam roll every so often) or would you stay as you are?Havent we to an extent been conned by carbs and arent we healthier eating LC anyway carbs being addictive and not very nutritious
     
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    Brunneria Other · Guru
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    Carbs taste nice. Especially when processed and packaged and served as they usually are. Most people like eating them. That's why they are such a problem to those individuals who can't tolerate them. And being slim is not a guarantee of normal BG levels. 20% of type 2s are slim.

    You asked if I was in this position, would I eat more carbs?

    Well, at various times in my life I have starved/scraped/tortured my body into losing a great deal of weight. Some of that was done using the old style Cambridge diet of 330 cals a day for three+ months. And each time, like 90% of dieters, I have put it all back on. And more. The lower the calorie diet, the worse I rebounded.

    Incidentally, each time I lost the weight, my hypoglycaemia continued even when slim. No 'reversal' for me. The carb cravings were always present too.

    I'm 47 years old, and for 44 of those years the only time I haven't experienced blood sugar problems and carb cravings is when I follow a strict low carb diet - no matter whether I weighed 4 stone or 24 stone.

    So I guess the moral of the story is that some people who follow the Newcastle Dream are going to be disappointed, because there are more reasons for type 2 diabetes than a fatty liver.

    I would encourage anyone to lose their excess weight, and if their diabetes 'reverses' at the same time then I am truly, delightfully happy for them. But people should understand that it isn't a cure all, and there is a percentage of people who will not benefit to the same extent.
     
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