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Jay75

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Hello
I've got a question please
Can being around passive tobacco smoke
Increase blood sugers?

I was dx type 2 dm about 9 years ago
I stopped smoking 8 years ago

MY blood sugers was stable on Metformin for last say 8 years

Jan of this year I had a water infection
MY blood sugers shot up too 22.5mnol
Uti was treated with antibiotics

But for last say 7 months. I've had regular episodes of hypglacemia

I've not changed what I eat
I'm not more inactive

Was at a loss as too why

Only 2 things have changed
Before my blood sugers first went high in jan

MY gp had started me on a slow forced morphine reduction
And
MY partner started smoking cigarettes again
At home

Is it possible any of Thoose 2 could be causing hyperglycemia?

GP had added in gliclazide 80mg. X 4 a day
And
GP is considering adding in a 3rd line med

MY fasting blood suger today was 17.3mnol

Then 2 hours after evening meal was 20.3mnol
 
Hi Jay75,

This is very interesting as my husbands smokes so ive always been a passive smoker which i am never happy about and my blood sugars the past 5 years have been really high
along with my chest getting worse would like to find out if this is the reason for the above look forward to the replys very interesting!!!!!!!


Sparklebright62.
 
Thanks for reply

I'm hoping passive smoking could be the cause
As
At least then I can do something about it! Lol

About a year before my bg started going high
I'd been on Metformin x 4 a day

I even wondered if I was still diabetic
As for previous 8 years my blood sugers were never high
MY HBAIC was always normal

After my water infection
MY sugers Dident improve
That was start of this year

They are still at highest in 20. 's

During last 8 years diabetic nurse told me
Ur Hba1c is normal keep on eating as you are
It's working!

Then when my BG went up during few telephone consultation with surgery diabetic nurse
I was always asked " what are you doing?
What are you eating

Eg what am I doing too cause my high sugers

I explained my eating has not changed

Then nurse said a lot of people are overeating or can't get their normal shopping during lockdown

I replied umm OK. But I'm eating as I was so that not a problem

MY high blood sugers was blamed on lockdown by nurse

Nurse asked me too pick up a diabetes booklet from surgery
It was same booklet I was given 9 years ago by surgery

Nurse seemed too act like I'd just been dx and had no clue of what too eat

I even seen a dietitian when first was dx

After few calls where nurse was 100% focused on my eating
And
Hyperglycemia symptoms driving me nuts
Nurse was very slow too increase gliclazide despite my fasting bg 18.6mnol

Eventually I'd had enough the 100% focus she had on my diet
And
She still blamed lockdown during every call

She was speaking too me like I Dident have a clue
Felt very patronising

So I said too her
I feel as if I'm being blamed for my high bg

OMg I got ohh no my love. I'm not doing that at all
Whatever!

She forgot diabetes is progressive and left me too suffer hyperglycemia symptons

Came too point could deal with her
So phoned surgery cancelled her ringing me
And
She still phoned me
Was fuming

Last diabetes nurse I seen was a diffrent one she looked at my hba1c was 84
And
Increased gliclazide no problem

GP seems too on same page as well
And is not blaming me and lockdown
 
I am more prone to infections if I have been in a smoky atmosphere, that includes any smoke at all, but I haven't noticed my BGs going up by much at all.

I was given a booklet when I was diagnosed 10 years ago. It was from Diabetes UK. The dietary advice in there was dreadful. Thankfully I already knew that the carbs with every meal, eat more fruit and have diet drinks advice was not what a T2 should do.
 
Welcome to the forum @Jay75

I really do think you are barking up the wrong tree blaming cigarette smoke for your rise in levels. If that were the case when I gave up smoking I should have seen a drastic reduction in my levels. The possible health consequences of smoke inhalation are well known but I have never seen any reports of it causing high glucose levels.
There are quite a few things other than diet that can cause our levels to rise, infection/illness, physical exertion, stress, medication you are taking for other conditions but by far the biggest culprit is always our diet. I understand that nothing has changed with your diet but ask any Dr and they will tell you that T2 is a progressive condition, so just because you could eat something in the past and have good levels is no guarantee that you will always be able to cope with the same amount of carbs. Believe me I wish that was possible, it would mean that I could still enjoy a night in the pub, several real ales and a curry on the way home.
So at the risk of sounding like your nurse " what are you eating" . If you share with us a typical days food maybe we can spot something that could be causing your high readings
 
Jay75 said:
Thanks for reply

I'm hoping passive smoking could be the cause
As
At least then I can do something about it! Lol

About a year before my bg started going high
I'd been on Metformin x 4 a day

I even wondered if I was still diabetic
As for previous 8 years my blood sugers were never high
MY HBAIC was always normal

After my water infection
MY sugers Dident improve
That was start of this year

They are still at highest in 20. 's

During last 8 years diabetic nurse told me
Ur Hba1c is normal keep on eating as you are
It's working!

Then when my BG went up during few telephone consultation with surgery diabetic nurse
I was always asked " what are you doing?
What are you eating

Eg what am I doing too cause my high sugers

I explained my eating has not changed

Then nurse said a lot of people are overeating or can't get their normal shopping during lockdown

I replied umm OK. But I'm eating as I was so that not a problem

MY high blood sugers was blamed on lockdown by nurse

Nurse asked me too pick up a diabetes booklet from surgery
It was same booklet I was given 9 years ago by surgery

Nurse seemed too act like I'd just been dx and had no clue of what too eat

I even seen a dietitian when first was dx

After few calls where nurse was 100% focused on my eating
And
Hyperglycemia symptoms driving me nuts
Nurse was very slow too increase gliclazide despite my fasting bg 18.6mnol

Eventually I'd had enough the 100% focus she had on my diet
And
She still blamed lockdown during every call

She was speaking too me like I Dident have a clue
Felt very patronising

So I said too her
I feel as if I'm being blamed for my high bg

OMg I got ohh no my love. I'm not doing that at all
Whatever!

She forgot diabetes is progressive and left me too suffer hyperglycemia symptons

Came too point could deal with her
So phoned surgery cancelled her ringing me
And
She still phoned me
Was fuming

Last diabetes nurse I seen was a diffrent one she looked at my hba1c was 84
And
Increased gliclazide no problem

GP seems too on same page as well
And is not blaming me and lockdown
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So, there are some interesting points you make here. You say you are eating as you normally do and the drugs are being used as a way to keep your hba1c stable?

that’s a potential source of the problem. We are told by the medical teams to eat "healthy" carbs and keep taking the pills. That does often work for a while but will progressively get worse as the pills stop working as well and in turn you need more pills. That's often the progressive nature. We eat the same, get blamed and told we are doing it wrong

But that's not fixing the root cause, for many of us we have found the carbs/diet are the problem. By eating as we are advised it doesn't improve.

So, I would be interested to know what your current diet is, it's possible the levels you are seeing are linked there.

I don't know if passive smoking has an impact but it is worth looking at the other areas too
 
Jay75 said:
She forgot diabetes is progressive and left me too suffer hyperglycemia symptons
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Diabetes tends to be progressive if you use medication to control it. Illness (eg your water infection) and stress (maybe slow forced morphine reduction?) and nicotine (maybe a bit from passive smoking?) all push bgs up. Many many of the folk on here (and my 91 year old dad :)) have controlled their bg levels by diet instead of medication (or diet plus reduced medication). If you haven't tried reducing the carbohydrates in your diet then you are missing one of the most powerful ways of controlling T2 diabetes.

I strongly urge you to at least consider low carb as an option. Your profile says you are 46, so the medication route is quite likely to lead you to insulin eventually. While I love the stuff (T1 diabetic here and it keeps me alive) I wouldn't recommend it to anyone unless there were no other option.
 
Jay75 said:
MY fasting blood suger today was 17.3mnol

Then 2 hours after evening meal was 20.3mnol
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Did your doctor order a c-peptide or fasting insulin test by any chance ?

The comments above about the progressive nature of the medication route are very true.
If you don't remove the stress on the beta cells you are only treating the symptoms (high BG) through medication & not the root cause, excessive carbs.
 
Jay75 said:
During last 8 years diabetic nurse told me
Ur Hba1c is normal keep on eating as you are
It's working!
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My (non diabetic) hubby's doctor once said that to him. So he came home and ate 4 Snickers bars as he normally ate what he wanted will no ill effects. 10 years on that is all catching up with him. I do wish HCPs wouldn't make these blanket statements without knowing the facts about the patient's diet. Sometimes the patient is just 'getting away with' a less than perfect diet for a while and it comes as a shock when it no longer works.
 
zand said:
I am more prone to infections if I have been in a smoky atmosphere, that includes any smoke at all, but I haven't noticed my BGs going up by much at all.

I was given a booklet when I was diagnosed 10 years ago. It was from Diabetes UK. The dietary advice in there was dreadful. Thankfully I already knew that the carbs with every meal, eat more fruit and have diet drinks advice was not what a T2 should do.
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OK thanks for reply
I must say I was not blaming high bg on passive smoking
I was just asking could this be a cause?

The eating 3 meals a day don't work for me
I. Ve got chronic pancreatitus
So advice is eat small meals often

I'm prescribed creon. Cos my oanceas don't produce enough digestive enzymes

Could under eating make my bg high?
I'd say I under eat. Instead of over eat

I will post what I eat in a day
But first I'll post the meds got on repeat

Rampril- 10 mg for high bp
Lanzprozole 15 mg. Acid reflux
Metrocloprimde-anti sickness
Metformin. 500mg x 4 a day
Gliclazide 80 mg. X 4 a day
Gabapentin. 300mg x 6 a day for pain
Oromorph (immediate release morphine
15ml/30mg a day
Dexamphetamine 60mg a day. For narcolepsy
Modafinil 400mg a day for narcolepsy
Paracetamol x 8 a day
Iboprofin 400mg x 3 a day

I'm diagnosed with

Chronic psncreatitus
Sleep apnea. Being treated. With cpap
Type 2 dm
Narcolepsy
Brain stem tumor. In medulla oblargarta
 
Ohh forgot. ZORMOMORPH 15mg am and pm
Extended release morphine
I was on 60mg am and pm

But now reduced too 15mg am and pm
 
zand said:
My (non diabetic) hubby's doctor once said that to him. So he came home and ate 4 Snickers bars as he normally ate what he wanted will no ill effects. 10 years on that is all catching up with him. I do wish HCPs wouldn't make these blanket statements without knowing the facts about the patient's diet. Sometimes the patient is just 'getting away with' a less than perfect diet for a while and it comes as a shock when it no longer works.
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Hi, you mention morphine.
I don't know if that's a cause but is that related to increased pain? Pain can impact our levels especially if we are also under a lot of stress
 
I totally agree I did say too nurse
You wouldn't be saying carry on as you are
If nurse knew how I was eating

I said im not eating salads all the time

Nurse Dident enquire as me about it
What I was saying my meals are random
Back then
I was finding it hard too eat often
Due too feeling sick and pain
Due too chronic pancreatitus

What's Werid I get stomoch pain when I'm hungers
Not hunger pangs
Actual pain
That forces me too eat
 
Andydragon said:
Hi, you mention morphine.
I don't know if that's a cause but is that related to increased pain? Pain can impact our levels especially if we are also under a lot of stress
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I was prescribed morphine 10 years ago
Cos
Kept on being admitted as a emergency due too abdominal chronic pain
Chronic psncreatitus inflamed pancreas

Since been on morphine not been admitted once
Over last year been on forced morphine reduction
Reduced 90 mg a day

A while after I started morphine reduction my blood sugers went up

The nurse asked me if I though morphine reduction was cause of my high bg

I'm like umm how how inknow

So I asked gp

Nurse got back too me and said no morphine not the csuse

I've been taking the morphine every day too control psncreatitus pain
 
Jay75 said:
I was prescribed morphine 10 years ago
Cos
Kept on being admitted as a emergency due too abdominal chronic pain
Chronic psncreatitus inflamed pancreas

Since been on morphine not been admitted once
Over last year been on forced morphine reduction
Reduced 90 mg a day

A while after I started morphine reduction my blood sugers went up

The nurse asked me if I though morphine reduction was cause of my high bg

I'm like umm how how inknow

So I asked gp

Nurse got back too me and said no morphine not the csuse

I've been taking the morphine every day too control psncreatitus pain
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I don't know about the passive smoke I'm afraid but if your pain has increased then it could be an impact in general.

I hope it improves and maybe others with more expertise will be able to answer
 
Jay75 said:
I. Ve got chronic pancreatitus
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Considering you need creon because your pancreas isn't producing the necessary enzymes for digestion, I'd ask for a C-peptide test and/or a referral to an endocrinologist.
If your pancreas isn't producing enough enzymes, it might be the pancreatitis has also affected it's ability to produce enough insulin.

Diabetes because of a damaged pancreas is called type 3C, and it's often misdiagnosed as both T1 and T2.
 
I wouldn't say morphine reduction has caused huge increase of pain

What does cause me stress is narcolepsy
It affects my ability too function daily

Narcolepsy is a sleep disorder
I enter rem sleep early when I sleep

So I don't ever get into deep sleep I need

Every day I wake up as tired as you are after not slept for 3 day

s
Even if I've slept 8 hours

Rem sleep is when we dream
Rem stage normally occurs a hour after we fall asleeo

I'm in rem sleep 10 muns after sleeping
So my sleep stages are all mixed up

No cure
Just stimulant meds
That ease daytime sleepy Ness just enough so I don't do mad!
But don't restore me too normal awakefukkness

I get many sleep attacks a day
Where I fall asleep with no warning
 
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