proliferative retinopathy I'M SO SCARED

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Hi i found out i have advanced oroliferative retinoathy in march. I underwent extensive laser on both eyes 2days later. My vision in my right eye us geting worse and i had s nassive haemirage on wed night which blocjed 70 of my vusion with red splodges. I niw have a haze where the splodges were and waiting to see eye doc this wed. Had anyine experienced similar?? I am so scared i will end up blind.
Each time i go to the hospital the docs are very vague and end up telling me i need to chill out. So much easier said than done. Especially after going to moorfields eye hospitals a and e dept ladt wed where the dic faid it needs more trestment urgently.
I have dtsrted taking pycngenol and billberry ectract but dont know if its too late.
Any response would be wrlcome ad i dont think my family understand how frightened i am by all of this. Why should they its not like its something they can see . Ive slso been told my kidneys arent functioning properly even though i am on meds for them already
Sorry to sound so gloomy about it but life feels pretty tough right now.
:-(
 

robert72

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,878
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Hi leb

Sorry to read about your problems. I had retinopathy 15 years ago and it was halted after 6 or 7 laser sessions - been stable ever since. I am also with Moorfields - they managed to save my vision when it was deteriorating under another hospital, so I would say you are in the best hands. If you have any concerns just give them a call or go back to A&E.

All the best

Robert
 

SouthernGeneral6512

Well-Known Member
Messages
412
Hey I'm really sorry to hear that :(.

Have you recently got your blood sugar under control after a long period it being out of control? Apparently that can make the eyes worse
 

MaryJ

Well-Known Member
Messages
842
Hi Leb,

Can't help I'm afraid, just wanted to say Hi and I hope you get sorted as you are having a miserable time.

There are members on here with eye problems who can advise/support - I will shout one now for you, un-----be-----liev-----er!

Bear with...................

Mary x
 

noblehead

Guru
Retired Moderator
Messages
23,618
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
Dislikes
Disrespectful people
Really sorry leb about your current situation, if you enter 'retinopathy' in the forum search engine you will find 100's of posts from members who have experienced or going through the same as what you are now.

The following website has a wealth of information with regards to diabetic retinopathy:

http://medweb.bham.ac.uk/easdec/
 

Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,551
hanks for your faith in me Mary ,always happy to help but I think its all been said by others. I can so empathise with you leb.
I was terrified at first and no one undersood. I was told I was lucky to be geting "free " laser when others had to pay thoudsands.
They thought i was being treated for short sight.

I am not sure which is the more frightening , the bleeds ou see or the bleeds you don't. Those where you think you are doing fine and you have revered to square one.

Firs of all I can ell you I have advanced retinopathy in both eyes ,. Also maculopathy and macular oedema in both eyes. I have had it for 5 years. I am posting here {albeit with typos } and can read wih he help of lamps and magnifers.
Sudden blindness is very unusual yourhaziness is probably due to the remnans of the "splodges. jus as others can't see what you can see , you can't see what the drs see. Obviously they want to stop further leakage of fluid.

As you mention your kidneys too I would guess you have been running high levels or have high bp or booth. You can best help yourself and may reverse both hese problems by reducing and sabilising these levels. but do't expect immediate results with your eyes, It may talke a while and further treatnment Many people here have had successful treatment which has not had to be repeated. I have an underlying problem which means that treatment only works for a short ime but , although I am not particularly brave I am no longer terrified,

he worst par of anything is he fear of the unknown. The doctors will no majke predictions because hey don't know. As this is a complicaion of diabetes much depends on the diabetes and your control so they can't give you a prognosis especially at an early stage.

The best way to deal with it all I found was to find someone i could trust and try to find to see or be treated by the same person.
Nurses will often help you to do this. i you explain your fears.

if injections in the eye are suggested , please realise that this is a very good thing. The retinal bleeding needs to be dried up before
laser can be really effective.
You are certainly in the righ place but have to learn to trust your doctors. Tis can be the hardest part. You may be fortunate as many others here have been and need very few sessions of laser. If not, it is not the end of the world. Just try to do your part and improving your levels if necessary and try not to stress oo much. It will only raise your levels.
You will soon ge used to it all and realise hat you are unlikely to go blind . Treatments are inmproving all the time. every time I visit the hospital now i hear more and more people being discharged. I am just an anomaly! My sight has been much worse at times because of bleeding and because of caaracts wnich are a hazard of the seroid injections I have . as also is glaucoma.
Many paients now are given injections of other substances which are very effective.
i know its all overwhelming and scary but it really isnt as bad as you hink. The lack of undersanding from others is a difffficul thing to
overcome but none of the reatment is horrendous or extremely painful. A little uncomfortable and disorientating mostly.

Please try not to worry too much. tI am a worrier and probably have more cause o worry about my sight han you do at the moment but i can honestly say my diabetes is a bigger worry for me.
I rus my consultant /surgeon and his team . , keep my levels low and stable as best i can and hope !
This aiude didn' come easily and I had to do a lot of research and ask a lot of quesions and occasionally be uncharacteristically asseribve but got ther in the end.

Pleaese let me know how you get on. I really do understand how you feel. Lonely isnt it?
 

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Thanks so much for your support. I am keeping my fingers crissed for wednesdsy when i go to my local eye hispitsl but if i am not happy with there responseiwill return to moorfields a n e and see if they can help.
Unbeliever i will take on biard what you said about being assertive. Its really out if character fir me but think it may be the only way to get lustened to.
You are an inspiration and i hope i can become as positive as you are

:)
 

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Sorry firgit to answer the questions. Yes i have haf uncintrolled blood gkucose for about 13yrs. The onlytime it improved wad when pregnent with my first dsughter. She will be 13next minth. Eith my second daughter it wasnt controlled all. I have been on the DAFNE in feb and dud start to get a bit better control slthough many hypos so i do think this wss the cause of the retinopathy. I went for my retinsl screenung in november last year and all wad ok so it came on very quickly. my diabetic consultan has been talkung about s pump for 2 years so im hoping that if i get one it might help with control. Apparently my diabetes is very brittle so i guess i could say im lucky thst this is my first lot if complicstions.
 
Messages
18,448
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
Bullies, Liars, Trolls and dishonest cruel people
leb said:
Hi i found out i have advanced oroliferative retinoathy in march. I underwent extensive laser on both eyes 2days later. My vision in my right eye us geting worse and i had s nassive haemirage on wed night which blocjed 70 of my vusion with red splodges. I niw have a haze where the splodges were and waiting to see eye doc this wed. Had anyine experienced similar?? I am so scared i will end up blind.
Each time i go to the hospital the docs are very vague and end up telling me i need to chill out. So much easier said than done. Especially after going to moorfields eye hospitals a and e dept ladt wed where the dic faid it needs more trestment urgently.
I have dtsrted taking pycngenol and billberry ectract but dont know if its too late.
Any response would be wrlcome ad i dont think my family understand how frightened i am by all of this. Why should they its not like its something they can see . Ive slso been told my kidneys arent functioning properly even though i am on meds for them already
Sorry to sound so gloomy about it but life feels pretty tough right now.
:-(

I'm so sorry to read about your eye problems. Of course its a big worry and thier indifference to your worries is pretty bad, chill out :shock: I have just posted about what happened to my eye earlier and I too am worried about my eyesight. Can your dr do anymore for your kidneys or refer you to ther hospita?. Try and be strong, I know its hard and I hope things get bettre for you soon. Take care
 

Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,551
leb said:
Sorry firgit to answer the questions. Yes i have haf uncintrolled blood gkucose for about 13yrs. The onlytime it improved wad when pregnent with my first dsughter. She will be 13next minth. Eith my second daughter it wasnt controlled all. I have been on the DAFNE in feb and dud start to get a bit better control slthough many hypos so i do think this wss the cause of the retinopathy. I went for my retinsl screenung in november last year and all wad ok so it came on very quickly. my diabetic consultan has been talkung about s pump for 2 years so im hoping that if i get one it might help with control. Apparently my diabetes is very brittle so i guess i could say im lucky thst this is my first lot if complicstions.[/q

You migh be interested to know leb that my eye specialist helped me to ge control of my diabetes. I am T2 had always had good readings on my meter but occasionally horrendous spikes. My local practice just wanted me to go on insulin.as well as all my meds. My readings were always in the 4s / I shudder to think of thepossible results.
My HBAiCs were getting higher because of the spikes. The eye consultant arranged for me to see a diabees consultant.
He gave me sitagliptin - which the paractice could have but wouldn't and sent them instructions for my future treatment.
At around the same time I discovered this forum and started low carbing and have not had a poor result since.
IIt is imperative that your levels are as good as they can be. with regard to the retinopathy it may well be that the hospital will help you to get your pump . I hope so.

When i spoke of being assertive i meant in being seen by someone I could trust. There is no point in pushing them over a prognosis . They just can't do it. Especially with your brittle diabetes. You sound lke a prime candidate for a pump.
I should ask if they can help you to get one .
 

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Thanks unbeliever. Yes im hoping my fiabetic consultant can push fir the pump soon. I am seeing him in a few weeks uts just all diwn to funding apparently. Our Pct has struct guufelined but im hoping i meet the requurements niw.

Can i ad you a fee wuestions? As i have saud many times(sorry for kerp repesting myself) I am so worried but dont know uf what im experiencing us normal. I woje today and hsve had seversl more small bleeds u kniw the ones thst look like dots and squiggles. But my eye niw feels reasly geavy with a dull ache behind it and through my head. I am at the eye unit on wednesdsy so think it shoukd be ok to wsit but dint kniw if i should be alarmef by this new heavy feelibg ir not"!!

Sorry to keep postinf but i find it is a help to discuss matters with someone who know.my husband (bless him) tjinks i am tslking myself into more probkems!!!!
 

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Omg just read my last post how terrible are ALL of the typos. I know i cant see too great but blimey thst shameful:)

Also the bit about the pump and meeting requirementd. My hba1c has come down since doing DAFNE but itd a bit faulse as its because ive had soooo many hypos. My dIabetIc nurse ssid its niw below the criteria of 7.5 ( think it was 7.4) so
shes already told me we will have to argue my case!

:) gotta all keep smiling ;-) !
 

Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,551
Don't know how "normal " it is leb but I certainly recognise the dots and squiggles and the heavy feeling. Sometimes the dots and squiggles are the bleed clearing. The heaviness probably means that the bleed is continuing . Just as well you go back on wednesday perhaps.
if you have brittle diabees and these bleeds AND kidney problems you should have a really good case for the pump. Your complications will cost them more .
Whenever I go to the eye clinic people speak to me of terrible bleeds they have experienced which blinded them for a while bu evenually cleared. I hope the treatment works well for you.

I think you mentioned supplements? Never too late. Even when it is all sorted out. I know many mebers here have had success with lutein , bilberry and pine bark. Probably other things too.
I have tried but they seem to make me sick nowadays . Have some digestive problems courtesy of the diabetes.
I was reading somewhere that they have even tried injecting pine bark into the eyes so it must be effective.
Dark green veg is supposed to contain lutein . I eat blueberries whenever possible as they are supposed to help.
Reallly hope the hospital is able to help you.
Find yourself a good sympathetic ear. They will be wanting you to get your levels under control asap so I am sure will do their bes o help you in tthat way
Shouldn't worry about a slight delay. It is smetimes best to let the bleed clear and dry up by iself so any laser is more efffective.
You could ask abiou tthat. Say you heard that injections are sometimes needed before laser. Does no harm to let them know that you are aware of these things.

Sometimes he heavy feeling is all the indication I get of another bleed. Until I go back to the hospital I don't know and have to wonder if its hayfever sinyus trouble , the weather etc.

I am glad someone else can't see hir ypos till the next day. {in the nicest possible way} makes me feel less of a freak!

Hope all goes well on Wednesday. Please let us know. It really does ge less scary.
 

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Thanks again unbeliever. I know everyones different but how long dies it normally take for your bleeds to dry up? I have no idea!!!

Will keep you posted about wednesday
:)
 

Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,551
leb said:
Thanks again unbeliever. I know everyones different but how long dies it normally take for your bleeds to dry up? I have no idea!!!

Will keep you posted about wednesday
:)

I have no idea. I only rarely have visible bleeds. but its happening behind the scenes wih the heaviness and the ache all the time except when the steroid injections are working.
My consultatant reckons I have an underlying weakness in one eye which requires continuopus treatment. Only occasionally will I have something obvious for a few days but am then aware its still going on . Maybe less frightening than your obvious bleeds.
On the other hand when I think I am doing well I get a shock when hey tell me I am not or i catch sight of my scans which I have everytine I attend the hospial.
I believe it depends how bad they are. Impossible to judge by what you can see.And where they are too. If your visio is temporarily obscured it doesn't mean you have lost it forever. The Dr should be able to give you an idea of how long it will take to clear -even if only a rough esimtae.
 

leb

Well-Known Member
Messages
137
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Hi all
Judt got back from eye unit. Been told my new vwssels are growi g very rapidly. They are going to do more laser within the week but have said i may need an operation to remive blood, scar tissue and the jelly in the back of the eye. I am praying laser will work but my vision is getting worse by the day:-(
TryIng to be positive but its soooo hard
Hope others are having better news x
 

noblehead

Guru
Retired Moderator
Messages
23,618
Type of diabetes
Type 1
Treatment type
Pump
Dislikes
Disrespectful people
leb said:
Hi all
Judt got back from eye unit. Been told my new vwssels are growi g very rapidly. They are going to do more laser within the week but have said i may need an operation to remive blood, scar tissue and the jelly in the back of the eye. I am praying laser will work but my vision is getting worse by the day:-(
TryIng to be positive but its soooo hard
Hope others are having better news x


The operation is called a Vitrectomy, here some information about the procedure:

http://medweb.bham.ac.uk/easdec/vitreou ... rhage.html
 

Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
Messages
1,551
Hi Leb. Don't give up just yet. The laser may work and you may not need a vitrectomy but if you do it is more likely to be successful and have fewer risks now than when you have had several years of laser.

if the wan you to have the vitrectomy then tha means you really need it but it could be a beter option for you than loads of reatments.
I expect hey will wait and see how you get on. I was speakig o someone at the eye clinic a couple of weeks ago who had suffered a massive bleed and had been old by the Dr that it might take a long ime to clear. Whe n he asked how long, the reply was - 6 months at least- and that was actually the case but it did clear completely.
The thing is to ensure that they take what YOU want into consideration. Thats one reason why It is a good idea o try to always see someone you are able to speak too and whom you rust if you can.

How did you find them today? Remember they have o consult you - it is your decision.