Yes @AndBreathe it could in deed be considered lots of things even - at full stretch - accommodating your rather fanciful comparison. So let me clarify my intention in including information about that individual.
It was merely to point out that here is someone who was well and truly into the diabetic range. And, unlike so many other people who achieve non-diabetic readings, has thrown caution to the wind and allowed herself any diet she wants. I am not making (or for that matter particularly inviting) any evaluation of that strategy - I'm merely stating it is a fact.
It is relevant because having been diagnosed as diabetic she has taken a course of action, achieved a result and sustained that result over a period of a couple of years now despite poor diet. Irrespective of whether that is a sensible strategy or whether it is one that may lead her back on a highway to diabetes or how close she is to her personal fat threshold - it is one piece of evidence that it may be possible to resolve diabetes and sustain that result without compromising diet to the extent many type 2 diabetics have to.
It is of course possible to set out all sorts of provisions about why her results may not be indicative of anything significant or to decry her personal choices as 'wrong' or unsafe. But my intention is not to get into a debate about a single specific example. It's to hear from other people who feel they have reversed their diabetes and to what extent they have had to manage their dietary choices.
What do you mean? In my experience many bariatric surgery go into diabetic remission, but not all, and that could be becuase some people need to reach a lower bmi than others in order to reverse their diabetes. typical weightloss with bariatric surgery, some types, is 30% of bodyweight. Depending on your bmi before you have the operation, some may still carry to much weight, for them to get into remission of their diabetes, so everything depends on peoples individual fat threshold.I'm just wondering. Is that the reason why not all bariatric surgery patients stay diabetic?
".... In your experience of bariatric surgery...." What experience is that?What do you mean? In my experience many bariatric surgery go into diabetic remission, but not all, and that could be becuase some people need to reach a lower bmi than others in order to reverse their diabetes. typical weightloss with bariatric surgery, some types, is 30% of bodyweight. Depending on your bmi before you have the operation, some may still carry to much weight, for them to get into remission of their diabetes, so everything depends on peoples individual fat threshold.
My personal guest is that there are many variations of what we currently refer to as Type 2 diabetes. Some go into remission with a 10% weight loss - some don't. My grandfather (from whence comes my diabetes) was skinny as a rail when he acquired it - and for the remainder of his life. Some are likely triggered by weight gain, others trigger weight gain, and yet other varieties may be totally disconnected from weight. Some may more easily reverse or go into remission - others may be more stubborn, and still others may never be anything but controlled. Someday we'll sort them all out.I'm just wondering. Is that the reason why not all bariatric surgery patients stay diabetic?
The Michael Moseley write up of the Newcastle Diet - 'The 8 Week Blood Sugar Diet' claims that type 2 Diabetes can be reversed. This is obviously a very attractive proposition to anyone who has recently been diagnosed.
I've seen some people on this forum who are clearly happier using the term Remission. I'm interested in people's experiences following success on either the Newcastle or 8WBS diets (or AN Other diet) - where I would define success (purely for the purposes of my own interest) as achieving and sustaining BG readings in the non diabetic range post diet. Others clearly will have their own subjective definitions of success.
I spoke to someone a few days ago who had had fasting readings in the high teens several years ago. Her Doc told her to lose weight quickly. Her mother had diabetes and plenty of complications so she was keen and spent several months losing 3 stone. Her fasting readings returned to the normal range and.... she started eating a poor diet again.
Currently she has regained all of the weight she worked hard to lose but her fasting readings remain in the non-diabetic range. Anecdotally, to my mind, this supports the notion of reversal - but I'm not really interested in discussing the semantics of remission vs reversal (and no doubt those readings will begin to creep up again at some point if she stays on her current track). Instead I'm interested in exploring what scope there is, for those who achieve success, to return to a healthy but less fastidious diet management regime.
So do you think you reversed your type 2 diabetes and if so how flexible are you with your diet now?
Hi DaveAn excellent question and post.
I've asked Muzza if he would consider taking a glucose test for the very same reason.
I absolutely agree and for that very reason many people would reject the idea of a cure but that doesn't mean that they are not cured if their HbA1c is normal over successive testsPersonally speaking I don't want to be told that I am "cured" because I would probably back to my old habits and regain the 20 kilos I lost. The weight loss was the "bonus" of being told that I was type 2.
Really bad english, all the scientific literature shows that bariatric surgery is the most effective weightloss for random people, This study insipired Roy Taylor to do his research on reversing diabetes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1234815/pdf/annsurg00043-0139.pdf".... In your experience of bariatric surgery...." What experience is that?
Really bad english, all the scientific literature shows that bariatric surgery is the most effective weightloss for random people, This study insipired Roy Taylor to do his research on reversing diabetes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1234815/pdf/annsurg00043-0139.pdf
It shows the results of 600 people undergoing bariatric surgery in a 14 year old follow up. 150 of these people had diabetes and 150 had impaired glucose tolerance. 14 years after the operation 80% were free of their diabetes, and all the prediabetes, 98%, still had normal sugars. That is quite a result.
I am also related to a doctor who does a subspeciality of medicine that has a lot of work with the complications of diabetes. Most people who get well and of their medications have done so through surgery, some expcetions are mostly lowcarb.
But I have not personally done a bariatric surgery on myself no.