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saw this on the DUK website - breakthrough in type 2 treatment

Discussion in 'Diabetes Research' started by himtoo, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. himtoo

    himtoo Type 1 · Well-Known Member
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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  3. himtoo

    himtoo Type 1 · Well-Known Member
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    I agree with you -- but for DUK to be reporting it means it will get pushed at a bigger audience .

    I took it as a positive step.:)
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Hmm well they did pay for the trial so they need to big it up...

    I'm still not convinced that an ultra low calorie diet will work for many and Prof Taylor is a bit of a "blamer" its "all about portion size and inactivity.." The same type of cr*p that the Daily Mail sometimes spouts. I expect him to know better.
    I think he is still suck in the "obesity causes Type 2" rather than obesity is a symptom of hyperinsulinemia which causes Type 2. But that's just me... I'd go for Fung over Taylor any day.
     
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    himtoo Type 1 · Well-Known Member
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    I am smiling here @bulkbiker :)
    at you for being so committed and enthusiastic
    and at me for mostly agreeing with you

    I suppose I am hopeful that these sort of changes will get us as a world towards better and more effective treatment ( and prevention)

    I know 2 ladies that attend a diabetic group with me that have put their T2D into remission following this diet.
    ( I know , I know -- only anecdotal --)
     
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    lucylocket61 Type 2 · Expert

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    I think that any sort of severe calorie restriction is going to reduce carbs too. but its a missed opportunity to focus on the carb intake specifically, and that weight gain is a symptom : (
     
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    Hiitsme Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Thanks @himtoo
    It was the Newcastle research that gave me hope when I was first diagnosed almost 3 years ago. My GP wouldn't agree to me doing their diet but was happy for me to lose a bit of weight, I wasn't overweight my BMI was 24.8. I lost 15 kg by eating 500 cals a day less than I was burning and I have had normal HbA1c's for over 2 years now so I really support this. I did end up having to put some weight back on as 15 kg was too much for me to lose.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Anecdotes are what this site thrives on..I love 'em!
    Real evidence trumps theory in my book every time..
     
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    james11 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Another breakthru !!..sorry i didnt read the link...i see stories of breakthrus often..but they are never mentioned by the so called health care professionals at my appointments. Its all hot air as far as i can see..even if it is a break thru it just means another funding crisis which rumbles on forever...jus carry on as you were
     
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    For all the people who found a reversal through this - I bet they wont mind what they are called or the premise but the result.
     
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    Agreed - onwards and upwards.
     
  12. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    They are not talking reversal. They are talking remission, and less than half managed it.

    The first year results are hugely promising. They show that it’s possible for some people to put their Type 2 diabetes into remission using a low-calorie diet programme, delivered by their GP. Almost half (45.6%) of those who took part in the programme were in remission after a year.
     
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    Well done to you. I haven't found out yet whether I have reversed it through my diet but my BG is a lot lower now and I can take in many many more carbs than before.
     
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    Completely agree but it's the sustainability of the result that is the issue.
    This is one of my criticisms of the earlier Newcastle Studies. There was never a published follow up of the results after a longer period had passed and the newest one hasn't been going long enough to tell.
     
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    Why so negative? I don't understand it. And reversal, remission - I was careful not use cure as I don't believe that but the other two words are defined differently by different people.

    Almost half achieved it - that is absolutely breath-taking news and as I say - the almost half that did are going to be smiling from ear to ear.

    Can we publish similar clinical data on any other treatment that has done the same?
     
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    Yes I want to see all of that to.
    I would love all of the data - what their OGTT curves looked like - spikes after food - all of that and it will frustrate me no end when we do not get this. But for today - I am rejoicing that a bunch of people are in a better place than they work which is a dream come true for many of them I am sure.
     
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    I expect that the Beeb will run a story showing overweight people with no heads walking through a shopping centre citing 'Eat less move more'.... call me cynical.
     
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    Well we have however many the low carb program has helped ... thousands? tens of thousands? hundreds of thousands?
    I believe the paper is being written at the moment.
     
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    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Legend

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    I don't think I'm being negative. I am not against the ND in any way. I am merely pointing out the facts that after 12 months less than half the participants managed remission - which I believe meant having an HbA1c of under 48 during the period, so still "at risk" if they were close to that figure. Of course it is great news for those people, and they deserve accolade for getting through it all, and I hope sincerely that they continue to be in remission, don't gain back the weight, and can eat normally.

    I wonder why the other half didn't? It would be interesting to know.

    To me, reversal means diabetes has gone away for good. You have gone back to not being diabetic. You are no longer diabetic. You are cured. Remission to me is something more temporary, something that may well last forever, but may not.
    They have picked their words very carefully.
     
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    hi guys ( and gals )
    I hope I am not stirring up a hornet's nest
    I am so sorry if I have.....

    my real intention was to sort of say....

    look everybody -- we are not alone in our DCUK forum and that perhaps the message is spreading.
    Perhaps the medical Pro's will listen going forward
    DUK have been at the forefront of initiatives involving DVLA and workplace so they are not all that bad

    I don't cry so much for myself anymore - I been doing the D far far too long.
    but I shed a tear nearly every time I read a new thread on here for people getting bad advice from HCP's
    ( and there are loads )
    I hate reading about any of us suffering from this hateful chronic illness
     
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