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Shakes And Soup Diet Could Become Radical Treatment For...

Discussion in 'Diabetes News' started by Julie27318, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. Rokaab

    Rokaab Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Julie27318 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    It is the Newcastle Diet which is discussed a lot in the Low Calorie Diet section of the forum.
     
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  4. derry60

    derry60 Prediabetes · Well-Known Member

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    I will not be trying this..no way. Although I am not type 2 What will happen when peeps go back to normal eating? Even low carb way of normal eating. I would be worried that it would mess my system up. This is not a normal way of eating so if I were type 2 I would give it a miss
     
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    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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  6. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Although to be fair starvation may not be the best way to get there?
     
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    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I think it depends on the subjects. Personally I think a couple of weeks of LCHF followed by extended water fast would be most effective...but there's no RCT on it :D

    Dr Jason Fung did have a recent patient that fasted for a couple of months at least. Have to look up his twitter post...
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Ah but fasting and starvation are subtly different .....but you know that .... right? :D
     
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    kokhongw I reversed my Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Ya. When they keep triggering insulin with those shakes...its an agony...pure water fast put us in a state of zen...
     
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  10. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Well, if you think lactose free milk is expensive wait until you see the price of the shakes. Just saying.
     
  11. Oldvatr

    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Disagree. The calorie intake is much higher than the Newcastle diet. As said it it is more like the old Cambridge Diet, which Prof Taylor adapted using the same shakes to emulate bariatric surgery. But ND may be considered by NICE as being too restrictive or severe for most diabetics they deal with so it may be a compromise from them. Remains to be seen if the calorie intake they end up with will actually be effective enough to claim remission or reversal. I suspect that with higher calorie intake it becomes less important to have a time limit such as the 8 weeks of ND,
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    At between 810 and 850 calories daily
    The report is based on the DiRECT study even down to the 300 people with just under half achieving remission..no?
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    Sorry, I had forgotten that DiRECT used more sachets and had higher calories than the original ND, Has DiRECT been published yet? I have reread the links in the OP and agree it is ND in one form or another which is a good pedigree to have. I think I was mixing it up with either the Moseley 8 week diet or the Unwin trial where a figure of around 1000 cals was used,
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Oracle

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    Has Unwin done a low calorie trial? I must have missed that one somewhere...?
     
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    Oldvatr Type 2 · Expert

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    No he did do a reduced starch study which is sort of low carb. but was not near the keto ranges for the participants. Many here would not regard it as a true LC diet such as LCHF, but more 'eat to meter'

    I only know Dr Unwin through this forum, and only knew his username and that he was a GP interested in Low Carb. Because the trial he did successfully was not LCHF, which is where my travels were taking me at that time, I did not see him as an LCHF proponent but we had interesting discussions. But when he joined PHC then it became clear that he supported LC diets. But his trial study does not really tick that box, and so this is why I believe his calorie intake was high compared to ND, It is also why I included it in this discussion of the NHS shake rattle and Roll diet since being a GP led study in a GP practice, it established that it was viable to roll out to other practices. It was also a formal study that the NHS could hang their hats on.

    https://www.practicaldiabetes.com/w...etes-experience-from-one-general-practice.pdf
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    Endo via dietician has recommended 800cals meal replacements with veg, soups or cooked veg.
    What I like is I'm being monitored whilst I take insulin too. Other meds may need changing as I go along too.
    I cannot reduce some meds as I'm not qualified or experienced/trained.
    I've been told reduce insulin if any hypos. Which I'm happy to do and have done before.
    So yes. This is being recommended to some. :)
     
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    ickihun Type 2 · Master

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    I'll let you know.
    3 shakes and a veg meal (240g veg) for 8wks or til op whichever is soonest. :)
     
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