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Type II diabetics should be aware of the problems with satin drugs

Discussion in 'Diabetes Soapbox - Have Your Say' started by Megagem, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. Megagem

    Megagem Type 2 · Newbie

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    Type II diabetics should be aware of the problems with satin drugs used to control cholesterol levels.
    The British Medical Journal reported in March 2013, that statin drugs significantly increased the risk of Type II diabetes. This claim is supported by much data and a number of other research papers in the medical journals world-wide , including – JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association 2012), Journal of Investigative Medicine March 2009 to mention a few.
    The instruction leaflet enclosed with the tablets also suggests this could be a problem for diabetics.
    See also “ How statins really work - explains why they don’t” by Stephanie Seneff at MIT contact [email protected].
    Statins interfere with liver functioning as does metformin!
    Perhaps I am in double jeopardy.
    I have now stopped taking the statins on the basis that the minor increase in risk of cardiac problems could be far outweighed by the side effects of the statin drugs.
    And here is a question- why should I interfere with my livers funcgtion in order to artificially control my cholesterol levels to some arbitrary level. After all cholesterol is one of the most – if not the most – important chemical in the body. It is part of the cell walls of every cell, it is important in the transport of nutrients around the body, it is important in brain functioning. It is important constituent of the myelin sheath which encloses nerve fibers. I could go on and on. Ur GP
    Please consult and consult your GP and question your use of statins. Do you really need them
    I was paced on statins ten years ago as a precaution against heart problems in the misguided belief that lowering my cholesterol levels would be a “good” idea even though my cholesterol levels were not excessive. This was many years before I was diagnosed with type II diabetes.
    I am still waiting for my GP to warn me of the problem.
     
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  2. Joe Sweatthang

    Joe Sweatthang Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi... I've been looking into Statins recently. It's not a very nice drug. It depletes COQ10...what your heart really needs and is actually causing more heart problems than it fixes. Statins will sooner or later be seen as a major pharma screw up.


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  3. mollycat1

    mollycat1 Type 2 · Member

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    And still your doctor insists that all diabetics should be taking them !
     
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    mo1905 Type 1 · BANNED

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    I've also recently stopped taking them. For me, the benefits do not outweigh the risks.


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  5. annelise

    annelise Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Megagem, I just so agree with you!

    – Also I recently read that the US medical association is now recommending that all diabetics should be put on statins – scary stuff as their recommendations often will eventually kind of be reflected in the recommendations in other countries (for me: Denmark).

    I went off statins by my own choice (after having had some side effect from them, e.g. a rather blurry mind/memory, elephantine legs with big rashes) - and also after having intensively sought for information on the Internet – there are just so many out there reporting bad effects.

    Now my doctor is pushing again for me to take statins. He thought my total choleresterol was too high. He didn't much care that my triglyceride/HDL ratio was 0.35 (much less than the recommended less than 1.3). This ratio is supposed to be an indicator of potential cardio-vascular problems.

    In another international forum, I privately sought advice from a (very knowledgeable) member about this. He then sent me a peer reviewed article: "Ratio of triglycerides to HDL cholesterol is an indicator of LDL size in patients with type 2 diabetes and normal HDL levels". (Diabetes Care, Volume 13, Number 11, November 2000).

    Well, I do not even have 'normal' HDL levels. They are in fact 4.11 mmol/L where the recommended value is only to have more than 1 mmol/L.

    annelise
     
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    mollycat1 Type 2 · Member

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    Do you think doctors get extra funding when they prescribe statins ? Just a thought !
     
  7. Joe Sweatthang

    Joe Sweatthang Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    It is a fact that they get a financial reward for prescribing statins....I mentioned this in an earlier post on this thread. Or was it in another thread.

    Anyway...watched a great documentary called Food Matters on Netflix. - There is not a single drug that you take for a short period of time and it fixes a problem to the extent that you are no longer dependant on that drug. All drugs are long term. If there were such drugs around that actually cured your problems quickly, then the drug companies wouldn't make any money out of it.
     
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  8. phoenix

    phoenix Type 1 · Expert

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    As I understand it, they aren't paid to put you on statins. They do have an incentive to reduce cholesterol in some conditions.
    Part of the GP payments system is based on targets This goes to pay all the expenses of a practice, not just the GPs salary.
    . Each target is worth so many points , each point last year was worth £133.76.. They only get the points if a certain percentage of their patients achieve the target. (the percentage varies between practices depending on the makeup of the practice so for some it may be as high as 80% others only 40%)
    So if you have heart disease or peripheral artery disease or diabetes then there is a target concerned with cholesterol levels.
    For diabetes the target says
    DM004. The percentage of patients with diabetes, on the register, whose last measured total cholesterol (measured within the preceding 12 months) is 5 mmol/l or less
    They get 6 points if a percentage of the people with diabetes have cholesterol below this level. The percentage ranges from 40-75%

    So for this indicator, if enough patients achieved the target then the practice would receive £802
    It doesn't matter how that is achieved, could be through diet or through medication. Obviously statins reduce cholesterol they will be prescribed but if they don't 'work', then that won't count towards the payment.

    There are a large number of targets for all sorts of conditions.
    http://www.nhsemployers.org/Aboutus/Publications/Documents/qof-2013-14.pdf
    The whole GP payments system is very complicated.
     
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    hanham97 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I recently had a few bloods tests and a Xray
    Results are
    Blood glucose stable
    COPD stable.
    Heart enlarged, so referred for scan and heart specialist.
     
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    Moomin333 Type 2 · Member

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    I take high dose of coq10. Have had no problem with statins. When I told my gp I was taking co Q10 she said good.
    The only problem I had with statins the my blood pressure tablets were doubling the affect of the statins. So when I was taking 40mg of simvastatin it was doubled up to 80, so cut the statin down to 20mg. No medication is perfect so you just take the rough with the smooth. Your co Q10 depletes over the years anyway so it's a good idea to take a supplement when your older anyway.


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