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Discussion in 'Ask A Question' started by izzzi, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. izzzi

    izzzi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    hi, :)

    Is there any Vegans or persons on a vegan diet on this forum.

    I happen to be on a vegan diet.

    Roy. :)
     
  2. dawnmc

    dawnmc Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi izzi, why are you wanting a soul mate or help?
     
  3. izzzi

    izzzi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi dawnmc, :)

    Oddly enough I am not a vegan, its just that this vegan diet was recommended.
    I am now thinking if there are not many vegans on this forum, is that a good sign for health reasons.

    If I go down the vegan route and their beliefs it becomes very negative and up pops religion etc;

    This forum seems to be the most honest guide to help Diabetes apart from the odd few that are just there to gain brownie points.

    Soul mates, God Dawnmic, where I am no thanks. Bless You.

    Roy. :)
     
  4. dawnmc

    dawnmc Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Sorry izzi, just my cynical humour.
    If you want to read up on veganism I can recommend 'Crazy sexy diet'. Its by a lady who has cancer but went vegan after researching loads od stuff to 'cure' her. Shes still around and looking healthy, but her cancer is in remission and its not a cancer that can be cured by traditional methods. She uses a lot of green juices. The juices are nice and taste cleansing.
    I find tho that cos we live in a cold country I can't be doing wth cold stuff no matter how good.
     
  5. paragliderpete

    paragliderpete · Well-Known Member

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    Hi Izzi , I tried a vegan diet for about 6 months, it was in the early days of being diagnosed. I found it easy during the warmer months, but found it very difficult once the weather got colder and i wanted something like a nice hearty stew to eat.
    i low carb, and try to maintain around 20g of carb per day, The problem i found was that most of the winter vegetables were too high in carbs for me, so went back to including dairy and the went the whole hog , back fully to meat .
    Give it a try, In addition to the above, you may find it difficult to achieve a high fat intake. Largely depends on the carb/fat/protein balance you are looking for
     
  6. dawnmc

    dawnmc Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    As an addendum the theory is that cancer feeds on sugar so Kris Carr the lady I mentioned above has cut all carbs and sugar out of her diet. She does live in California I think, if I lived there I'm sure I could eat salads all day too.
     
  7. IanD

    IanD Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    I posted this on a Christian forum - but not really popping religious beliefs into the thread:

     
  8. Klang180

    Klang180 · Well-Known Member

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    I am vegan for ethical reasons but it also has fantastic health benefits too.

    I have a wholefood, high fibre, low fat and limited protein diet and it works brilliantly. I have been vegan for 5 years but only recently been watching my fat intake having read the China Study. It is the most healthy way to live. I am more insulin sensitive than i have ever been and i am much better controlled. What's more is that my Cholesterol is "as low as it can be" according to my doctor and it isn't hard to point to my diet and exercise as the reason.

    I don't understand why you are linking it to religion. I am an athiest and i have never met another vegan who was religious so it seems odd to me.

    Also, i do not understand how anyone can contend that eating a lot of veggies and fruit and wholefoods can ever be bad for you, afterall it isn't red peppers, brocolli and carrots that cause the majority of cardio vascular deseases is it!
     
  9. hanadr

    hanadr · Expert

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    Being a healthy vegan [edit] could be difficult .
    It requires a LOT of knowledge. And I suspect a considerable use of supplements. For example, it's difficult to get enough vitamin B on a vegan diet. It's not easy for less strict vegetarians either.
    I do know quite a few veggies and a couple of vegans, none of them diabetic as it happens and most of those people are not amongst the healthiest that I know. In addition, they seem to use lots of processed foods and stuff that mimics the things they don't eat, such as meat and dairy products.
    I fully agree with people's right to eat in the way they consider morally and ethically right. I sympathise with those who are against taking life to get their own food and who worry about the welfare of farm animals. Nevertheless, I eat meat.
    I try not to waste any of the meat I buy for my family as I remain aware that a living thing was sacrificed for my food. Still I can't imagine [edit] things being easy on an animal product free diet.
    Hana
     
  10. Klang180

    Klang180 · Well-Known Member

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    Er no it isn't and you shoudln't scare monger with no (obvious) experience yourself.

    B12 is the only vitamin that you would need to supplement as it used to be available through dirt on veggies etc but is now not. It is present in meat as ruminents eat a lot of soil etc.

    What do you mean they are not the healthiest people you know? Also are you able to judge people on a small sample selection isn't that what people do with race, gender, sexuality etc. Yes i knwo you will think that example crude but you cannot tar everyone with the same brush.

    The simple fact is that you can be a healthy vegan and you can be a unhealthy vegan but to infer that being a non-vegan somehow provides some sort of better health is completely false. All the evidence points to quite the opposite.

    I take my health very serioulsy indeed and yes i have read widely on nutrition partly as a result of being vegan but then shouldn't we all take nutrition seriously? I find it incredibly condescending that you think because i am a vegan i am somehow intrinsically less healthy than you. I am sure i am in much better shape than 99% of the population but then i guess that doesn't fit your world view.

    Please do eat whatever you want but don't defend your practices by attacking the choices of others. Just saying you "fully agree" with something doesn't mean you aren't being offensive and ignorant. It is a bit like saying "With all due respect" or "i don;t mean to be rude", it doesn't absolve you.

    Anyway, back to the OP point. I believe, backed up by extensive research (unlike most carnies who seem to lecture me on mere hearsay) that a vegan diet it the healthiest you can have. It also happens to be the best for the planet, animals and of course humans too.
     
  11. Klang180

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    Roy you should be proud of a decision to follow a vegan diet and know that it is absolutely a more ethical way to live. There are plenty who say it isn't but without wanting to get into a massive debate or have to stick up for my own choice (why should i, i have made a choice whereas others haven't) there is no GOOD reason not to be.
     
  12. izzzi

    izzzi Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Hi,Klang180 :)

    Sorry for my negative comment regarding religion. It is just that the store where I buy some health products is run by a very pleasant church group.

    Point of interest, my son bakes a brownie suitable vegans which is top notch.

    I am going through a early stage in learning about vegan's hence my bad defended attitude saying I am not a vegan (if you understand what I mean).

    luckily my son like you is a vegan so when he cooks I get spoiled.

    good luck

    Roy :)
     
  13. Klang180

    Klang180 · Well-Known Member

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    Hey Roy

    Thanks for your response and sorry if i got a bit defensive. As your son will no doubt testify people can be very negative and even aggresive when it comes to veganism and after a while defending ones choices all gets a bit tiresome.

    Anyway, point is, i am vegan and i believe it has only helped me in my management of diabetes. I would never go back even if meat was cruelty free.

    Always good to hear about a fellow vegan cooking up a storm like your son!

    :D
     
  14. hanadr

    hanadr · Expert

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    Kang 180
    you are doing just what you accuse me of
    I do mot imply that my way is best, but you do just that. I stated simply what I do know. The vegans I know are members of my family and I've known them a long time. I do know that those particular vegans are not really healthy people. In no place do I suggest that there are no healthy vegans. I'm sure there are.
    For people who haven't tried it, I'm sure they need to know that it isn't easy to get all you need on a vegan diet. I know that my family members buy quite a lot of simulated meat products to try to imitate a standard British diet. They also need a lot of imported foods.
    I'm not even sure that if everyone was vegan, it would benefit the planet. there would naurally be far fewer farm animals and hence a lot less manure to return fertility to the soil.
    It's a very complex issue and I don't/didn't pretend to know the answers. Ialso made it clear that I don't know a lot of vegans.
    You could try reading what I wrote without adding to it in your own head. I'm pretty good at expressing myself clearly in several languages.
    Hana
     
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